I find it weird how every time I comment that Ukraine could have a tree together with Poland then it gets flagged but others constantly commenting that Ukraine belongs in the Russian tree is apparently fine.
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For the production of BM Oplot they used the hull from 80UD and even it had to be remodeled for the installation of ERA duplet.
If the remodeled hull is enough to make this claim, then fine😁
The T-84/BM Oplot turret has nothing to do with OKR “Improvement-88"
https://patonpublishinghouse.com/sem/pdf/2016/pdfarticles/02/2.pdf
Stop spreading myths.
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Question to those in the know.
How is the Ukrainian arms industry looking besides the production of things such as air and naval drones?
Is there any armored vehicle production to speak of?
No doubt it took a big hit as things stand, but is heavy vehicle production dead?
I wrote some stuff about it in my messages up. Newly modernised tanks and IFVs were spotted, and T-64BV modernization haven’t stopped
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Ah I see, I seem to have read over that.
Is this production still largely centered around Kharkiv or has it been moved elsewhere? Perhaps unknown to public?
No idea about Kharkiv but Kiev and Lviv armour plants also make T-64BV, and T-72/80.
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Alright
Thank you for the insight!
According to the article published in Yutakod magazine, it can use 4 types of ammunition APDSFS, HE-FRAG, HEAT, and ATGM.
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Funny article
Shows Pakistani T-80UD and talks about Oplot, as i can understand
Only Oplot-M has a new tower…the rest have an Old Soviet project…The first T-80UD with a welded tower is Object 478BK (1987)…
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What do you want to prove? The T-80UD, T-84, BM Oplot turret has nothing to do with the T-90A, much less the T-95 project(OKR “Improvement-88").
They are different inside and different outside
The difference is noticeable both externally and even more so internally.
armor filler
BM Oplot
T-72/90
Why do you continue to spread myths?
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You claim that the 80UD/84, BM OPLOT turret is a copy of the T-90A turret, while throwing in sources that do not in any way support this statement.
As for the T-80UD/84 turret, it was produced according to the KMDB project at the Azovmash plant, where it was tested.
The 80UD/84,bm oplot turret has nothing to do with Omsk or the T-90A, much less with the "Improvement-88" project
And where is there even a minimal mention of the tower filler?
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The answer to this question is right there in his nickname.
I even un-ignored that last post for a quick laugh, then saw this diamond:
Only a tower of Ukrainian design is installed on Oplot-M…everything else is Soviet heritage…
Something must have happened with this mythical “soviet heritage” in Russia - the ancient tech of moving tanks backwards with the 30km/h speeds was forever lost in an instant due to mysterious reasons, due to which no russian tank can have it, and this art was only preserved by scribes in Ukraine. You heard it here first, people!
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Interesting but I voted no, sub faction of Russia I’d take… despite recent politics.
Reason being a lot of these vehicles will just be reskins, gaijin could then make unique skins for say btr or t80 styled ukrainian camo… they don’t exactly bring anything fresh to the table. So I think its a lame idea for a full faction.
Central europe faction, Poland lead, czech, ukraine and Lithuania perhaps… but again alot of these will not be adding their own vehicles just more regurgitation.
So I think any nation mentioned here is a sub-faction only bringing camo for Roleplaying sakes and a sub line and/or premium anything outlandishly different.
Alternatively just dress your bradley up Ukraine… fixed the void for you.
Simulation mode gonna suck if ideas like this work xD
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I would love to see a Ukraine tech tree
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You haven’t even looked at post above, haven’t you? Most of the vehicles in Ukrainian tech tree are either originated in Ukraine, or have significant modifications unique to Ukraine, or have Western supplied vehicles that seen actual combat (unlike 90% of the vehicles in other nations trees) and been modified in Ukraine. And it’s still a work-in-progress version that lacks more unique options (like Supacat ASRAAM launcher that can replace some AA options)
There are no reskins, unless you also affected from T-XX blindness.
Simulation mode gonna suck if ideas like this work
Why people always bring “simulation mode will suck” argument every single time (not only in this thread)? Who even cares about that at this point of game lifecycle, when most of the tech trees now have token western\soviet tanks anyway? You can’t break that was already broken long time ago.
sub faction of Russia I’d take
Alternatively just dress your bradley up Ukraine… fixed the void for you.
So you want Ukrainian Bradley (that actually fulfilled the role to which it was designed first time since its creation right here in Ukraine) and all western equipment that was actively used in combat in significant numbers ( like Gepards, Paladins) and now inseparable part of AFU to be added into Soviet tree to boost it even more? Or you want some FuNnY downgraded version of Ukraine from alternative soviet-lovers reality where only BTR-4 and Oplot exist?
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Fml… okay lets go…
Right look at the majority of that tech tree presented to us… so much re-print. Solution merge it with the tech tree it belongs too anyways seen as Ukraine was USSR concept makes sense to give it’s foundations there.
'91 and onwards just take the Interesting stuff make a few prems and away we go, I don’t want dud vehicles because it fulfills a dream.
Would I play the proposed faction… most likely, would I enjoy playing the same planes and tanks I have been already… it’ll be stale. So again sub-faction leans more to my preference and camos for fulfill roleplayers.
Simulation because this would outright just mess with players… atleast the other factions have very unique camos to differentiate between.
As for the Bradley I am fooling around there… but ultimately couldn’t give a rats arse if Russia got it.
Ukraine sub-faction sure, take the good bits, some premiums, event vehicles (Ukraine bradley for USA, or btr4)
Gepard and other vehicles thay can be reskined into Ukraine colours, potential charity fund raiser here for aiding civilians affected by the war via camo loot boxes.
So no I wasn’t blind just didn’t think the suggested idea was a best way to get ukraine involved in-game, I see easier ways and inventive ways to get this result.
I should have wrote more like that to stay with than being so dismissive I guess… my bad
I wouldn’t necessarily be ok with it but as long as they don’t get the Western tanks that were handed to Ukraine then I don’t really care.
If it were to be added, I don’t see it not coming with some of the more popular modifications, like seen above the Leopard 2A4 with Kontakt-1, it should come as a premium or something for Ukraine.
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