Personally, I think it’s not that bad and adding T-80UD as a premium (if such addition was unavoidable) to USSR tree was the best possible solution:
It marks the rarity of this vehicle and its limited use in USSR/Russia. While tank was manufactured in Ukrainian SSR (and should belong to Ukraine’s TT), most tanks were delivered to RSFSR territory, where they participated in some historical events (like shooting at “White house” in 1993 events) and then all of those new tanks (hundreds of them) in RF were scrapped after less than a decade of service due to inability of RF to maintain them.
Current addition doesn’t automatically excludes T-80UD from future Ukraine (one and only manufacturer) and Pakistan (main operator) Tech Trees. It will all happen eventually.
That is a terrible way to measure things.
Modifications of vehicles should be judged by how differently they perform from other vehicles in the game.
Ukrainian vehicles are very much their own as user Suppie said, regardless of their origins.
Hell, nevermind the fact that Ukraine was one of the foremost Soviet territories and was one of the hearts of armament production of the USSR, with many Soviet designs hailing from the territories… “Name Ukrainian stuff but exclude it when made by Ukrainians.”
Yes. You are right but the most Ukrainian vehicles aren’t that different from what we have in game. I’d love to see some of the T-64s replaced by upgraded Ukraine one’s but they are still USSR vehicles so there is no point to a new tech tree. A small sub tree might be cool or like a premium T-84 Oplot and of course there are some cool ad hoc vehicle you could add.
If a country has enough of such unique products it is worthwhile to have a grander addition than just having a couple of vehicles shoved somewhere randomly.
Since there was a USSR flag on it and since it was used in limited numbers there ( that hopefully doesn’t make it so we don’t see the actual ukraine tree) but u still malded, i decided to fix it for you so you can mald some more ( troll emoji)
Luckily I have a list for this, of course, that’s not why I created it, but if you really need it. 🤷♂️
As you wish I will exclude all western and soviet vehicles that are not modernized or made in Ukraine.
MBT
Spoiler
BM Oplot-M (2009, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
BM Oplot-T (2016, Made in 🇺🇦 for 🇹🇭) - Suggested
BMT-72 (2002, Made in 🇺🇦)
BVMP-84 (2000, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-55-64 (2007, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-55AGM (2003, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-62AGM (2003, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-64BM ‘Bulat’ (2002, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-64BM1M (2014, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
T-64BM2 ‘Bulat’ (2021, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
T-64BV zr. 2017 (2017, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
T-64BV zr. 2022 (2022, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-64E (2011, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-72-120 (1999, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-72AG (1997, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-72AMT (2021, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
T-72AV zr. 2021 (2021, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-72E (2009, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-72MP (1998, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-72UA1 (2011, Made in 🇺🇦)
T-80BV zr. 2018 (2018, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
T-84-120 ‘Yatagan’ (2000, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
T-84U Oplot (1999, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
IFV
Spoiler
BMP-1TS (2021, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
BMP-1U (2001, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
BMP-1UM (2015, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
BMP-1UMD (2016, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
BMP-2 (Douplet)
BMPT Azovets (2015, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
BMPT Strazh (2017, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
BMPT-64
BMPV-64
BTR-3DA (2017, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
BTR-3E
BTR-3E CPWS-30
BTR-3E CSE 90LP
BTR-3E1 (2007, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
BTR-3U (2000, Made in 🇺🇦)
BTR-4A
BTR-4B
BTR-4E
BTR-4E1
BTR-4M
BTR-4MV
BTR-4MV1 (2017, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
BTR-70DI
BTR-80UM
BTR-94 (1999, Made in 🇺🇦)
FV101 Scorpion (Kastet) (2016, Made in 🇺🇦 for 🇯🇴)
Kevlar-E (2017, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
MT-LB-T-23-2 (2015, made in 🇺🇦)
MT-LBR6 (2000s, Made in 🇺🇦)
MT-LBR7 (2000s, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
MT-LBSh (2006, Made in 🇺🇦)
Otaman (2A28)
Otaman (2S1)
Otaman-3 (2019, Made in 🇺🇦) - Suggested
Otaman-3 (BM-3M)
Varan
and there are even more that I might have forgotten about.
Please name all Israeli in-game vehicles that are not of Soviet or NATO Origin.
Please name all Chinese in-game vehicles that are not of Soviet or NATO Origin.
Please name all Hungarian in-game vehicles not of Soviet or NATO Origin.
Now let’s take this game even further ; since seemingly everything allowed in a tech-tree has to be both designed and built by the operator nation as an independent state (sorry T-64, moreso, sorry Morozov and KMDB)
Please remove all Soviet or NATO Origin vehicles from France.
(oops! sorry France, no American lend-lease, or trophy vehicles!)
Please remove all Soviet or NATO Origin vehicles from Italy.
(oops! Sorry Italy, no German nor American vehicles in your lower ranks!)
Please remove all Soviet or NATO Origin vehicles from Germany
(oops! sorry Germany, no full high-tier lineups until post 1990/1991 because you were divided after WW2!)
Please remove all Soviet or NATO Origin vehicles from Japan.
(oops! Multiple vehicles with no replacement removed from Japan which already lacks lineups and a fleshed-out tech-tree!)
Please remove all Soviet or NATO Origin vehicles from China.
(oops! entire tree gone!)
Please remove all Soviet or NATO Origin vehicles from Sweden.
(oops! All top-tier MBTs gone! Almost half of the premiums, the only squadron vehicle removed and gaping holes left in the tree!)
Please remove all Soviet or NATO Origin vehicles from Israel.
(oops! tech-tree eviscerated until the top-tier!)
Here’s how I see it. It’s “too small” to be an independent tree. But too big to be a sub tree. If this was an independent tree. Could gaijin allow having an only ground tree? Because Ukraine’s air tree is slim to none.
Also into MBT list:
Serial vehicles:
T-64BVK zr.2021 (bit different from both T-64 you listed)
T-72AMT (there`s also a different version)
Non-serial/experimental vehicles
Early T-84 (Object 478 DU2) , which was one of the contestants for Greek MBT contract
Object 478 DU5 (Along with T-84-120 was a contestant for Turkish MBT contract)
Object 478 DU7 (contestant for malaysian MBT)
Object 478BEM-1(for the US with Drozd-1 Hard-kill APS)
Object 488 (Ukrainian Merkava)
