Why is the turret basket still a thing on tanks like the Leopard series and Abrams series. The basket has nothing to do with the turret ring in real life, in real life if the basket gets damaged the turret can still turn.
The devs should remove this and just stick with how it was or make it fair and give every country a turret basket on there tanks even though it wouldnt make sense since like i said, Even with a damaged basket the turret can turn.
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can u prove they can turn without the turret basket???
saying it is ez while proving it isn’t so much.
turret baskets are here to stay, leclerc’s and type 90’s have them now so gaijin is slowly increasing them
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Western tanks are currently full of electronics and other vulnerable components. For a game with mouse aim and mainly close range encounters its really too much. Almost every hit, even very bad ones, cripple your tank. Dunno…its not good for a computer game. I play less and less at top tier. Its not as much fun as it used to be.
A turret basket its just a metal floor connected to the turret ring, for the crew to move along with the turret.
To actually disable a tank horizontal aim you would need to damage the turret ring, the gunner/commander controls or a big powerful shell to completely rip the basket away from the ring (like a big AP solid shot). But no, in this game, a sabot round, a shell so thin that its not capable to deform any type of thin metal plate, completely disables the turret basket (or even spall destroys the basket).
IRL it would only leave a hole in that metal plate and nothing else.
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Explain that to Gaijin, they might change it after the 10th turret basket bug report.
The only answer I saw was “game convenience” or no response with “Not a bug” label. :)
I also hate how any shot to the hull gets my horizontal drive and often motor, so I’m basically a vegetable for the enemy to kill
the basket also doesnt really exist in warthunder, theres just the top, the bottom and some other bits and pieces that can actually take damage, most of it is just cosmetic
With other tank starting to get it, I don’t mind it too much. Though gaijin should make it realistic
The proof should lie with Gaijin, where is their proof that it locks the turret?
Unless something vital is hit the “thin” metal of the basket will simple be perforated with a neat hole, any deformed metal should then be “strong” enough to stop a mechanism powerful enough to turn a 21t turret.
Same thing with VT/PF shells on arty, turning them into SPAAG (very effective some times)?
Gaijin does how/what it pleases, adds either positive or negative stuff without adding it to more then a few TT. Feels to me rather arbitrary, some things are fixed ASAP while other fester for months if not more.
thats exactly how it currently works bro, only the top, bottom, and some other bits associated with powering the traverse can be damaged
Youre wrong. The bottom, just a thin alu plate, wouldn’t prevent a 20 ton turret from rotating. Thats nonsense. Ingame this plate causes turret jams, even when hit by a s single spall fragment. The turret should only jam when the ring is damaged. Even the turret drive wouldn’t cause a total jam, cause of emergency failsafe mode.
i was talking about how it works in game not irl, im not exactly a mechanic on the abrams but irl I can imagine that there is likely some requirement for the bottommost part
of the turret to be able to turn smoothly (otherwise it wouldnt have the guide channels) and if it was impeded from that (if it had been deformed from being shot) and the turret was attempted to be rotated, the top and bottom parts would shear off of each other and a lot of the electronics which are attached to the bottom would break from the top which drives the turret itself, thereby stopping rotation
Nope. it’s only access panels, it’s effectively suspended from the Turret race, since it doesn’t need to be able to rotate the carousel independently of the Hull & Turret in order to either track the Turret’s rotation, and rotate relative to the turret to place the next Cassette into the loading position underneath the loading arm and rammer.
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Unlike the T series autoloaders, that actually have electronics running up from the hull, which strangely isn’t present on the module.
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i mean are there actual pictures and not just a diagram? as the diagram also says “harness trough electrical cables” which kinda alludes to something being down there
i mean irl dont they also need to be looking forwards to reload? so not exactly surprising
it’s for electronics That are mounted to the frame of the basket / turret itself that are not pictured (because they are not part of the basket). And there needs to be some way to exfiltrate cabling though the race ring without limiting rotations, and so obviously needs some way to mount a fixture to permit a slip ring style coupling to pass data to the hull, and what better way to do so then where all three meet.
No? They would need to bring the gun to a specific elevation to proceed with the loading process, but that’s also true for the Abrams & Leopard (to assist the loader), though it can be overridden. and the vertical traverse is much faster so it’s less of an issue to retrain the gun.
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Gaijin does not take facts as proofs, after all they added artificial external ammo to the bmpt and lethal abrahms/leopard ammo rack
They just make things that goes along with their conveniences
Theres nothing in the bottom to actually stop the horizontal aim, its just a metal floor.
How hard to understand is it? Its just an alu plate for the feet of the crew. So, they have a bottom to stand upon. Thats it. Full Turret weight rests solely on the ring. The condition of the basket and the plate is irrelevant for traversing. Its just a thin sheet of aluminium Its basically hanging in the air. Even if we imagone it deformed, there’s no way it somehow stops the 20ish tons from the turret. It would rotate anyways.
Its like this. The turret weight entirely rests on the ring, the basket is just for the crew, hanging free inside the tank. Zero electronics…the bottom plate just there to make it safer for the crew. Imagine the turret rotates and a foot becomes entangled with the tank chassis…ouch.
bro, its already been explained pretty well no need to get so aggressive about it