I would also add South Korea, as Turkey can produce the Altay (K2) and the T-155 Firtina (K9) from South Korea under license. These two Vehicles Are almost the Same but with slightly different optics and Systems
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These statements are wrong. Altay has elements from K2 such as the main cannon and armor scheme, other than that it is completely built by Otokar & BMC. Same goes for T-155 Fırtına, subsystems such as fire control system and the auto loader are from K9, other than that is again a domestic MKEK product.
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Wasn’t the Altay supposed to be the tank for the Turkish army? Why did a new variant appear? We were talking to some Turkish acquaintances and we thought that it could be the modernization for Chile as well, perhaps for both countries.
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altay amt k2 panther is similar but its armor structure is very different also k2 panther is 50 tons while altay is 65 tons
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That’s still the case, Altay procurement still continues but rather in slow fashion. Turkish Armed Forces is one of the biggest Leopard 2A4 for users, around 330 Leopard 2s in is service currently. 40 of them are in Leopard 2A4T1 configuration and rest in base model 2A4s. So it is only logical to bring them to moderns standard especially since the know-how is there.
Base Leopard 2A4s are showing their age as they’ve received zero upgrades during their service life and it become apparent in Syrian operations. Turkey has been planning to modernise its Leopard 2A4s since the procurement (see Leopard 2A4NG) and its finally becoming a reality.
Well it would be similar considering main sub-system contractor is ASELSAN for both projects. Phase I of Chilean Leopards are not planned to receive T1 Armor Package as far as we’ve seen, maybe it would be incorporated in Phase II. Also from what we’ve seen, Chilean Leopards are to receive different electro-optics, at least CITV is different.
That is not entirely true. Turkey indeed received technology transfer for both Altay and Fırtına, but they are far from being license produced vehicles. Both of the vehicles evolved from K2 and K9 but they are very much different, especially Altay. Altay is more of Europeanised version of K2 with indigenous systems; pretty much everything except for the power pack, this included important systems such as cannon, armor, electro-optics and fire control as well as “minor” parts such as Insulated Body Ammunition Rack, Tracks, Turret Drive System and Fuel and Hydraulic Pumps.
I would prefer a United Korean Korean Tech Tree to be honest. In a Sub-Tree you can have limited amount of vehicles thus you cannot really see the progress and evolution of unique vehicles. Instead of throwing lets say K2 to top tier, you could start from XK2 to its final form in proper tree.
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Yet again, its been quite a while since we’ve update the Turkish Ground Forces Tech Tree but here we are with a brand new update but this time it’ll be a little different then earlier ones. Instead of
an updated Ground Forces Tech, this time we’ve come up with showcase of Turkish Defence Sector to show capabilities and flavour of possible Turkish Ground Forces Tech Tree.
In this update we’ve covered armaments that are relevant in War Thunder such as tank cannons, machine-guns and automatic grande launchers. We’ve focused on indigenous products and some license products that has been part of the production for quite sometime and used extensively. So let’s get into the Weaponry Section of Turkish Defence Industry:
Turkish Defence Industry 
Weaponry
Cannons
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MKE 155mm L/39
MKE 155mm L/39 Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 2384 kg
- Length: 6037 mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 155mm
- Shell: 155mm (6.1 in), NATO Standard
- Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 945m/s with MOD 274 High-Explosive Extended Range (HE-ER) - Rate of Fire
∙ Normal Rate; 6 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙24 km with MOD 274 High-Explosive Extended Range (HE-ER)?
MKE 155mm L/52 PANTER
MKE 155mm L/52 PANTER Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 4176 kg
- Length: 8060 mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 155mm
- Shell: 155mm (6.1 in), NATO Standard
- Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 945m/s with MOD 274 High-Explosive Extended Range (HE-ER) - Rate of Fire
∙Normal Rate; 4 Rounds in 60 Seconds
∙Burst Rate; 3 Rounds in 15 Seconds
∙Sustained Rate; 2 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙18 km with M107 High-Explosive (HE)
∙23 km with M101 High-Explosive (HE)
∙30 km with M549 High-Explosive Rocket-Assisted
∙40 km with MOD 274 High-Explosive Extended Range (HE-ER)
MKE 155mm L/52 FIRTINA
MKE 155mm L/52 FIRTINA Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 4339 kg
- Length: 8095 mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 155mm
- Shell: 155mm (6.1 in), NATO Standard
- Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 945m/s with MOD 274 High-Explosive Extended Range (HE-ER) - Rate of Fire
∙Normal Rate; 6 Rounds in 60 Seconds
∙Burst Rate; 3 Rounds in 15 Seconds
∙Sustained Rate; 2 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙18 km with M107 High-Explosive (HE)
∙23 km with M101 High-Explosive (HE)
∙30 km with M549 High-Explosive Rocket-Assisted
∙40 km with MOD 274 High-Explosive Extended Range (HE-ER)
MKE 120mm L/33 THSS
MKE 120mm L/33 THSS Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 850 kg Only Barrel Weight, Complete Weight is not Revealed
- Length: 3800 mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 120mm
- Shell:
∙ 120×570mm, NATO Standard
∙ 120mm (4.7 in), Smoothbore - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ Less Than 870m/s with MOD 300 High-Explosive (HE)
∙ More Than 400m/s with MOD 308 High-Explosive (HE) Smoothbore Mortar - Rate of Fire
∙Normal Rate; 6 Rounds in 60 Seconds
∙Burst Rate; 3 Rounds in 15 Seconds
∙Sustained Rate; 2 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙2-3 km with MOD 300 High-Explosive (HE)
∙7-8 km with MOD 308 High-Explosive (HE)
MKE 120mm L/44
MKE 120mm L/44 Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 3700 kg
- Length: 5812 mm
- Width: 640 mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 120mm
- Shell: 120×570mm, NATO Standard
- Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 1705m/s with MOD 290 Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) - Maximum Firing Range
∙3000 m with Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot (APFSDS)
MKE 120mm L/55
MKE 120mm L/55 Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 3103 kg
- Length: 6600 mm
- Width: 640 mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 120mm
- Shell: 120×570mm, NATO Standard
- Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 1705m/s with MOD 290 Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) Stated
∙ 1786m/s with MOD 290 Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) Theoretical* - Maximum Firing Range
∙3000 m with Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot (APFSDS)
*1705m/s Figure Seems to be for L/44, In Theory L/55 Might Have Higher Velocity
MKE/Watervliet M68T1 105mm L/52
MKE M68T1 105mm L/52 Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 1200 kg
- Length: 5346 mm
- Width: 640 mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 105mm
- Shell: 105×617mm, NATO Standard
- Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 683m/s with MOD 233 High-Explosive (HE)
∙ 1485m/s with C76A1(FP105) Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) - Maximum Firing Range
∙? m
MKE/ROKETSAN DGTS 105mm L/?
MKE/ROKETSAN DGTS 105mm L/? Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: ? kg
- Length: ? mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 105mm
- Shell: 105×617mm, NATO Standard
- Muzzle Velocity:
∙ ? m/s - Maximum Firing Range
∙? m
*It is not certain if DGTS is a whole new cannon or just M68T1 or some other M68 derivate. I’ve included here since MZK live fire demonstration video mention cannon as “105mm DGTS System”.
Auto Cannons
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MKE 35mm Revolver Cannon
MKE 35mm Revolver Cannon Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: ? kg
- Length: ? mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 35mm
- Shell: 35×228mm?
- Feed System:
∙ Linkless Dual-Feed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ ? m/s - Rate of Fire
∙200 rpm
∙1000 rpm
MKE/Oerlikon GDF-003B 35mm
MKE/Oerlikon GDF-003B 35mm Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 6700 kg
- Length: 7800 mm
- Width: 2260 mm
- Height: 2600 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 35mm
- Shell: 35×228mm
- Feed System:
∙ Dual-Feed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 1,175 m/s - Rate of Fire
∙550 rpm per Barrel
MKE/ASELSAN GDF-003B Modernised 35mm
MKE/ASELSAN GDF-003B Modernised 35mm Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 6800 kg
- Length: 3150 mm Only Barrel Length
- Width: 2260 mm
- Height: 2600 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 35mm
- Shell: 35×228mm
- Feed System:
∙ Dual-Feed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 1,020 m/s with ATOM 35 ABM
∙ 1,020 m/s with ATOM 35 IABM - Rate of Fire
∙550 rpm per Barrel
MKE/GIAT 25mm Auto Cannon ILGAZ/M811
MKE 25mm Auto Cannon ILGAZ Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 121 kg
- Length: 2130 mm
- Width: 345 mm
- Height: 370 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 25mm
- Shell: 25×137mm, NATO Standard
- Feed System:
∙ Dual-Feed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 1360m/s - Rate of Fire
∙400 rpm
∙650 rpm
ASELSAN
ASELSAN MAKS T-35 35mm Auto-Cannon
MAKS T-35 Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 220 kg
- Length: ? mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 35mm
- Shell: 35×228mm, NATO Standard
- Feed System:
∙ Linkless Dual-Feed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 1180m/s - Rate of Fire
∙Single Shot
∙200 rpm
ASELSAN MAKS T-30 30mm Auto-Cannon
MAKS T-30 Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 160 kg
- Length: ? mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 30mm
- Shell: 30×173mm, NATO Standard
- Feed System:
∙ Dual Link-Fed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 1080m/s - Rate of Fire
∙Single Shot
∙200 rpm
∙300 rpm
MAKS T-30H
MAKS T-30H Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 59 kg
- Length: ? mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 30mm
- Shell: 30×113mm
- Feed System:
∙ Linkless
∙ LinkedOptional - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 805m/s - Rate of Fire
∙Single Shot
∙200 rpm
∙300 rpm - Features
∙Ability to Use Airburst Ammunition
CANiK
CANiK/AEI Systems VENOM LR
VENOM LR Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 122 kg
- Length: 2044 mm
- Width: 315 mm
- Height: 310 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 30mm
- Shell: 30x113mm
- Feed System:
∙ Linkless Feed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 765-805m/s - Rate of Fire
∙Single Shot
∙200 rpm
∙300 rpm
∙1200 rpm
TR Mekatronik
TR Mekatronik 25mm Kara Topu
TR Mekatronik 25mm Kara Topu Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: ? kg
- Length: ? mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 25mm
- Shell: 25×137mm, NATO Standard
- Feed System:
∙ Chain-Fed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 1200m/s - Rate of Fire
∙Single Shot
∙200 ± 25 rpm
Automatic Grenade Launchers
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MKE 40mm OBA Automatic Grenade Launcher
MKE 40mm OBA Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 33 kg
- Length: 1097 mm
- Width: 340 mm
- Height: 225 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 40mm
- Shell: 40×53mm
- Feed System:
∙ Linkless Dual-Feed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 242m/s Stated on MKE Catalogue
∙ 242m/s with MOD 78 High-Explosive (HE)
∙ 242m/s with MOD 100 Programmable Pre-Fragmented High-Explosive (PPHE)
∙ 245m/s with ATOM 40 Airburst Munition (ABM) - Rate of Fire
∙Burst Rate; 60 Rounds in 60 Seconds
∙Sustained Rate; 40 Rounds in 60 Seconds
∙Cyclic Rate; 325-375 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙Maximum Range; 2500 m
∙Effective Range; 1500 m
ASELSAN
MAKS OBA-40H
MAKS OBA-40H Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 18 kg
- Length: 965 mm
- Width: 273 mm
- Height: 220 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 40mm
- Shell: 40×53mm
- Feed System:
∙ Linkless
∙ LinkedOptional - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 242m/s - Rate of Fire
∙Single Shot
∙200 rpm
∙300 rpm
KALEKALIP
KAGL40
KAGL40 Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 35 kg
- Length: 1090 mm
- Width: 340 mm
- Height: 225 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 40mm
- Shell: 40×53mm
- Feed System:
∙Belt-Fed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 240m/s Stated on KALEKALIP Catalogue
∙ 245m/s with ATOM 40 Airburst Munition (ABM) - Rate of Fire
∙Burst Rate; ? Rounds in 60 Seconds
∙Sustained Rate; ? Rounds in 60 Seconds
∙Cyclic Rate; 280-380 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙Maximum Range; 2000 m
∙Effective Range; 1500 m
Machine-Guns
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MKE MT12-QCB
MT12-QCB Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 38 kg
- Length: 1650 mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 12.7mm
- Shell: 12.7x99mm
- Feed System:
∙Belt-Fed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 993m/s - Rate of Fire
∙ 450-550 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙Maximum Range; 6.699 m
∙Effective Range; 1.828 m
PMT-76-57A Platform
PMT-76-57A Platform Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 12.5 kg
- Length: 1250 mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: 280 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 7,62mm
- Shell: 7.62x51mm
- Feed System:
∙Belt-Fed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 840m/s - Rate of Fire
∙ 650 - 950 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙Maximum Range; 3800 m
∙Effective Range; 850 m
PMT-76-57A Co-Axial
PMT-76-57A SELENOİT Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 12 kg
- Length: 1250 mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: 280 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 7,62mm
- Shell: 7.62x51mm
- Feed System:
∙Belt-Fed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 840m/s - Rate of Fire
∙ 650 - 950 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙Maximum Range; 3800 m
∙Effective Range; 850 m
MMT
MMT Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 8 kg
- Length: 1120 mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: 280 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 7,62mm
- Shell: 7.62x51mm
- Feed System:
∙Belt-Fed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 840m/s - Rate of Fire
∙ 750 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙Maximum Range; ? m
∙Effective Range; 1100 m
CANiK
M2 QCB
M2 QCB Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 38.5 kg
- Length: 1665 mm
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 7,62mm
- Shell: 7.62x51mm
- Feed System:
∙Belt-Fed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 900m/s - Rate of Fire
∙ 450 - 650 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙Maximum Range; 6800 m
∙Effective Range; 1830 m
SARSILMAZ
SAR 127 MT
SAR 127 MT Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 38.1 kg
- Length: 604 mm Barrel Length
- Width: ? mm
- Height: ? mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 7,62mm
- Shell: 7.62x51mm
- Feed System:
∙Belt-Fed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 930m/s - Rate of Fire
∙ 1120 - 1200 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙Maximum Range; ? m
∙Effective Range; 1000 m
SAR 762 MT PLATFORM
SAR 762 MT PLATFORM Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 12.5 kg
- Length: 1235 mm Barrel Length
- Width: ? mm
- Height: 280 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 7,62mm
- Shell: 7.62x51mm
- Feed System:
∙Belt-Fed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 850m/s - Rate of Fire
∙ 550 - 950 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙Maximum Range; 3725 m
∙Effective Range; 1100 m
SAR 762 MT SELENOİT
SAR 762 MT SELENOİT Specifications
- Dimensions and Weight
- Mass: 11.8 kg
- Length: 632 mm Barrel Length
- Width: ? mm
- Height: 160 mm
- Operational Details
- Caliber: 7,62mm
- Shell: 7.62x51mm
- Feed System:
∙Belt-Fed - Muzzle Velocity:
∙ 850m/s - Rate of Fire
∙ 550 - 950 Rounds in 60 Seconds - Maximum Firing Range
∙Maximum Range; 3725 m
∙Effective Range; 1100 m
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I believe it would be more enjoyable if you add South Korea as sub tree, rather than Kazakhstan. South Korean tech tree might go to K2 Blackpanther, and you can also add Endonesian Kalpan MT in south Korean sub tech tree cuz both located close to each other and both are in asia. I know they are really different nations but still south korea might be added
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Suggestion’s made for the ACV-15T1 (which isn’t its official designation that I’m aware of, just a placeholder) and ALTUĞ 8x8 IFV, hopefully they’re approved.
- 134x have been modernized with an unmanned turret dubbed NEFER that houses a 25mm autocannon, and packed full of electronics i.e. LWS, 360-degree thermal camera coverage, tailored FCS for improved APFSDS-T rounds, etc.
- Estimated BR: 9.0
- In production, 29x ordered. Equipped with a 35mm autocannon in the Korhan unmanned turret, AKKOR hard-kill APS, and a multitude of sensors. It will be the Turkish Army’s new wheeled IFV.
- Estimated BR 10.3
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Great, your suggestions are always top notch, I’ll be glad if I can offer any help.
It kind of is, Land Forces Command tends to not properly designate vehicles, like M60T1 still commonly referred as M60T, but this package is FNSS’ ACV-15 Life Extension Program which is dubbed as ACV-15T1.
NEFER got designation of SARP 100/25.
Same deal here, KORHAN’s new designation is SARP 100/35.
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Thanks man! Yeah I’m just waiting for them to be approved, probably like a month or so.
I did list the SARP turrets along with the other name it is associated with. I thought that was strange when I was making the suggestion, I wasn’t familiar with SARP at the time.
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Considering doing some on the Kaplan-10 ATGM carrier since Turkey is procuring like 200+ of them, and the M52T which number like 360+.
Kaplan-10 ATGM Carrier
M52T Self-propelled Howitzer
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Is there plans for the armed forces to procure the Kaplan-MT? I saw there was rumors about the Turkish Army looking into getting a few.
As I said earlier, I know they’re adopting the Kaplan-10 ATGM Carrier and maybe some of the APC’s but I’m wondering what other platforms they could adopt considering the Kaplan is a pretty modular chassis.
Also, this answered that question (along with what you said) lol:
There’s also an ATGM version of the ACV as well.
Looks to be the OMTAS & L/UMTAS missiles (and a coaxial 7.62mm machine gun) I’m assuming which is the same as the Kaplan-10.
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Tracked light vehicles with cannons do not fit the Turkish Armored Doctrine, so I believe Kaplan MT will not be included in our inventory for the forseeable future.
Exports are always an option though, at the moment the program is driven by Indonesian interest completely.
Correct, Kaplan-10 STA (ATGM Carrier) is being rapidly produced and delivered to the army to replace the aging M113 TOW carriers, which are a crucial part of our Armored Forces.
For other uses of Kaplan platform, we have no clue. For wheeled IFVs they had picked Altuğ 8x8 ZMA and for wheeled APCs they picked PARS ALPHA which quite surprised us. (Another thing to include, along with the 8x8 APC, PARS ALPHA’s 8x8 ATGM carrier and 8x8 engineering/mobile maintenance vehicle variants are also the part of the deal.) I believe trials for tracked vehicles progress way slower and in the end they might still go for another round of M113 modernizations instead.
Along with those, surprisingly they had integrated KORNET-E on the turret system as well. And yeah, same turret as Kaplan-10 STA and PARS 4x4 STA.
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Is Tulpar meant for export as well. Turkey isn’t going to use it for itself?
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Tulpar chassis can be used for many roles, but it’s 105mm or 120mm cannon variants will not be used I am assuming.
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As you’ve stated Kaplan-10 is in service in Turkish Armed Forces under the name of KAPLAN STA (STA stands for Silah Taşıyıcı Araç, literally means Weapon Carrier Vehicle). Currently there is three version of KAPLAN STA in service;
- KAPLAN STA, UKTK (ARCT) Turret, KORNET-E Missile
- KAPLAN STA, UKTK (ARCT) Turret, OMTAS Missile
- KAPLAN KMC, KMC/TFSS/YALMAN Turret, CİRİT Rocket, OMTAS & L-UMTAS & UMTAS Missiles
There is another variant that is being still under development:
- KAPLAN KMC-U, KMC-U Turret, CİRİT Rocket, OMTAS & L-UMTAS & UMTAS & UMTAS-GM Blok-1 IIR & UMTAS-GM Blok-1 YAL Missiles (As Well As Under Development Missiles Such As: OMTAS-GM, L-UMTAS-GM, UMTAS-GM Blok-2 CCD/IIR)
KAPLAN STA, OMTAS
KAPLAN STA, KORNET-E
KAPLAN KMC, CİRİT & OMTAS & L-UMTAS & UMTAS
KAPLAN KMC-U, CİRİT & OMTAS & L-UMTAS & UMTAS & UMTAS-GM Blok-1 IIR & UMTAS-GM Blok-1 YAL
Nomenclature:
- STA = Silah Taşıyıcı Araç, Weapon Carrier Vehicle
- UKTK = Uzaktan Komutalı Tanksavar Kulesi, ARCT = Anti-Tank Remote Controlled Turret
- KMC = Kaideye Monteli CİRİT, Pedestal Mounted CİRİT* KMC, TFFS, YALMAN All Refers to Same Turret System
- TFFS = Taktik Füze Fırlatma Sistemi, Tactical Missle Launch System* KMC, TFFS, YALMAN All Refers to Same Turret System
- KMC-U = Kaideye Monteli CİRİT - U, Pedestal Mounted CİRİT - L * “U” is Probably Stand For Uzun, Referring to Long Range
- OMTAS = Orta Menzilli Tanksavar Sistemi, Medium Range Anti-Tank System
- UMTAS = Uzun Menzilli Tanksavar Sistemi, Long Range Anti-Tank System
- L-UMTAS = Lazer - Uzun Menzilli Tanksavar Sistemi, Laser - Long Range Anti-Tank System
- UMTAS-GM Blok-1 IIR = Uzun Menzilli Tanksavar Sistemi-Genişletilmiş Blok-1 Menzil Kızılötesi Görüntüleyici Arayıcı, Long Range Anti-Tank System-Extended Range Block-1 Imaging Infra-Red
- UMTAS-GM Blok-1 YAL = Uzun Menzilli Tanksavar Sistemi-Genişletilmiş Menzil Blok-1 Yarı Aktif Lazer, Long Range Anti-Tank System-Extended Range Block-1 Semi-Active Laser Seeker
- UMTAS-GM Blok-2 CCD&IIR = Uzun Menzilli Tanksavar Sistemi-Genişletilmiş Blok-2 Menzil Yük Bağlaşımlı/Kızılötesi Görüntüleyici Arayıcı, Long Range Anti-Tank System-Extended Range Block-2 CCD/IIR
@ByEmirReyiz explained rest already, so props to him
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It is taking unusually long recently.
Eh it is SARP designation standardisation came very recently so no worries mate.
It seems highly unlikely Turkish Armed Forces would acquire Kaplan or Tulpar in Light Tank/Fire Support Configuration. I remember listening tank crews even commanders were highly sceptical against such platforms as Fire Support Vehicles even favouring M48 & M60 over them.
Not necessarily just for export but for the time being there is no orders. YN-HZA (Yeni Nesil Hafif Zırhlı Araçlar/New Generation Light Armored Vehicles ) projects first phase just awarded to FNSS & BMC. If I remember correctly, tracked vehicles will be awarded in Phase 2. Considering there is no BMC tracked vehicle this might take quite while though.
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I’m kind of surprised they didn’t adopt the Kaplan-20/Kaplan-30/Kaplan APC as a replacement for the ACV-15/ACV-15T1. I really like the concept of the ACV-15T1 but realistically is a very vulnerable platform without several other support vehicles that take lead. I mean the new 8x8 IFV fills the role well and they have so many ACV-15’s so it’s cost effective but they need to at least incorporate a basic/light form of hard-kill APS/EW to the vehicles. They could’ve mounted the SARP 100/25 onto the Kaplan APC even.
As for the Kaplan-MT, that makes sense for it not being in doctrine. There’s no point for it considering the terrain the Turkish Army operates in is accessible for the M60T/Leopard 2A4T1/Altay T1 tanks and the areas they can’t operate it is relegated to infantry anyways with limited access to vehicles even like the ACV-15T1.
Kaplan APC
Kaplan-20 IFV
Kaplan-30 IFV
- On a side note, these Kaplan’s look sharp. Tulpar’s are pretty sick too.
Tulpar HIFV w/ Mızrak-U Combat Module
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Replacement of ACV-15 is long overdue at this point, ACV-15T1 is merely a stopgap solution until procurement of new platform starts.
Most definitely, there has been few attempts to incorporate Active Protection Systems to tracked vehicles in the past but those stays as mere attempts. For future though, ASELSAN is developing a lighter active protection solution called AKKOR KAMA mainly designed for lighter tracked vehicles. Though we do not know if those would be incorporated in new generation tracked vehicles. For the wheeled vehicles though, SARP 100/35 equipped IFV variants is mostly likely will have AKKOR on them as SARP 100/35 comes with AKKOR.
Let me share some of APC/IFVs fitted with Active Protection Systems:
Arma 6x6 AKKOR
Kaplan Light Tank (3105) İDEF 2019 Prototype, AKKOR PULAT
Arma 8x8, AKKOR
ALTUĞ 8x8, AKKOR
ASELSAN AKKOR KAMA
Well actually Land Forces Command favours direct fire support as we’ve seen how M60A3 were used in close quarter. Problem is Command’s ideas are about lighter platforms are quite entrenched. We’ll see if it’ll in any time soon, that being said Command decided to switch from 25mm auto-cannon to 35mm auto-cannon as primary caliber for IFVs, so it is not impossible.
As far as I know both Kaplan-20 and Kaplan-30 are discontinued. There is only three Kaplan Platforms left; Kaplan-10, Kaplan APC, Kaplan Light Tank.
I prefer Tulpar myself, especially the one with SARP 100/35
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