It’s especially strange because the Norwegian F-16 at the same BR already has the Sniper pod. It also looks like the premium F-16 that was changed to a Dutch variant will receive the Litening pod instead of the Sniper, even though, to my knowledge, both the Belgian and Dutch Air Forces also operated their F-16s with the Sniper pod’s. That said, I can’t complain too much, since the Litening is already a significant upgrade over the LANTIRN.
I also wonder whether the Dutch F-16 will receive an HMD. The Norwegian F-16 uses essentially the same model of helmet and already has one, while the Belgian F-16s, despite using the more advanced Scorpion helmet-mounted cueing system, still don’t have any HMD implemented at all.
For the F16 HMS all I can say is to ask gunjob or another tech mod to bump one of the better informed HMS reports or ask one of the Norsk player who did their bug reports and see if they have any sources available you could add.
Iirc the HMS source for the Norsk one also mentioned the Belgian F16 was affected
The F-16AM premium was originaly intendeed probably as an “early” AM MLU ; as the livery shown a “FS” on the tail which was only present a while ago
Honestly i don’t know if it is a bug ; or something made by Gaijin as we operate both Scorpion HMCS & JHCMS helmets ; and doc is a bit clusmy if radar HMD is enabled or not
That’s why some of the Belgian F16’s were originally denied was because of the Radar HMD reports being uncertain in answering if that was possible iirc.
Interesting, do you have proof of this? Consider making a bug report.
I know we bought over 100 of the AIM-120C-8…
I found this info:
Missile
Period on Belgian F-16s
Guidance
Notes
AIM-120B AMRAAM
~1995–present (inventory status uncertain today)
Active radar
First AMRAAM variant publicly documented in Belgian service. Belgium purchased 72 AMRAAMs in 1995–96 and later acquired additional stocks. Some AIM-120Bs were later donated to Ukraine.
AIM-120C-8 AMRAAM
2023 onward
Active radar
Approved for Belgian F-16AM and F-35A fleets. 120 missiles approved under FMS. Essentially an export-standard AIM-120D-class missile.
For the AIM-120B i had some insider information about it ; i do need to find proper sources as insider sources are not valid x)
Oh and good to see another Belgian concerned with Belgian vehicles.
Indeed ; i try to foward stuff as much as possible when it is somewhat related to Belgium as in my eyes the BeNeLux tree is realy sad to see in his current state
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AIM-120A and B in game are identical, and if an aircraft can use the B it can use the A. This means both are valid and legitimate on the vehicle.
For the Sniper TGP, it counts as armament so it is passed as an internal suggestion rather than a bug. A bug would be if the vehicle has something it cannot use, not something it can use. E.G. the F-16C could theoretically use AIM-120Ds, but that’d move it up.
Honestly, I just unlocked this jet after an intense grind, and I was incredibly excited because the stat card and wiki literally say it has HMD. But finding out in-game that it doesn’t work for the radar at all is completely disappointing. It’s frustrating to see how the tech tree version gets left incomplete for over 2 years, while the new premium copy gets the proper treatment with working avionics mechanics.
Historically, the Belgian MLU with the JHMCS system could absolutely slave the AN/APG-66(V)3 radar to the helmet for quick ACM locks (HMS PD). There are official flight manuals proving this in reports that were ‘accepted’ years ago, but Gaijin just locked the threads and ignored them.
In my opinion, keeping the tech tree version nerfed while the premium gets the actual capabilities at 13.7 is a huge double standard. The code and mechanics already exist in the game files for the F-16 family, so there is no technical excuse anymore. Gaijin really needs to stop treating this as a low-priority suggestion and finally fix the radar HMD for the French tech tree F-16AM
Likely it needs a new bug report made and pushed to Smin or Gunjob. This isn’t the first time a vehicle has been left broken but it could also be intentional. The Finnish F-18C is the same BR as superior models with better RWR and HMS where it lacks those.
There is a LOT of other nation that could get the Sniper pod: no one is being silenced or so.
It’s not just France and Sweden getting ‘nerfed’. it is in mmy opnion that they are reducing the range of optical pods to 20 then 30km, so having a pod with a good thermal that can zoom enough is a good thing they kept for not copy-pasting and still having diffeerence between nations.
But now, the Sniper have been exported a lot since.
