Save data isnt our personal data.
Personal data would be more along the lines of our payment information, but that isnt stored with our game save data.
Also everything Ive just read about the GDPR say it has nothing to do with preventing a company from doing something with our data that we give them permission to.
“Organizations must comply with the GDPR’s requirements, which include implementing appropriate technical and organizational measures to ensure data security, obtaining valid consent for data processing, and appointing a data protection officer in certain cases.”
“The GDPR grants individuals various rights regarding their personal data, including the right to access, rectify, erase (right to be forgotten), restrict processing, and data portability.”
Those are just a couple snippets from google so far, but every site basically says the same thing. The GDPR is there to protect our data from being misused by companies.
Nothing about stopping the company from doing something with our data that we request of the company.
If this is true, then the gaijin account is already created and the email link does nothing.
They have to copy the ENTIRE account into a new empty one, all of it, not just the game save data.
Read section 2.1 and 2.2 of the Privacy Policy to know what kind of data they might have depending on account history.
Additionally:
Your accounts name and IP adress is for example part of “personal data”.
Perhaps not but, again, it details how. Additionally what is required surrounding it like documentation of: what was done, why it was done, explicit consent from user, how it was done, etc, as well as being able to prove that all those things adhere to the regulations.
Exactly, so there are details on how they can handle the data.
Chapter 4 of GDPR details a lot of this:
(https://gdpr-info.eu/)
Correct, so there aren’t two accounts that they then separate, they have to create the second account for the PC and copy over all the data from the console account, regardless of if the email is linked or not. if the email is linked however they also need to unlink it from the console account for that email to be able to be used on the second newly created PC account instead.
You still arent grasping the fact that we are requesting Gaijin to do something with our data.
All throughout your links is laws that would prevent a company from doing something with our data, against our wishes. But, that is NOT the case here.
If any of these laws wouldve actually prevented Gaijin from doing transfers, it would have prevented them from doing any of the transfers they have already done.
If any of these laws would have prevented Gaijin from using automated programs to manipulate our data, then even the original account creation would have been prevented.
Here the dev is admitting that Gaijin is using our data to create an account without us knowing.
Surely, If the isnt against the law, then creating a copy of our account at our request also isnt.
Again, all this argument does is smoke screen the fact that Gaijin doesnt care to fix what is a them issue to fix.
And you still don’t seem to grasp that i’m saying “HOW” (so not yes/no but rather in what way things need to be done) and all the surrounding factors that makes it slower and harder to do.
Your how is also meaningless in the context of these laws as well.
Simply put, if Gaijin has been doing it without breaking the law this whole time (both with copying accounts and creating them), Then there is no issue with the law.
This is exactly your argument.
The law is the law, it wouldnt stop one function without stopping them all.
It isn’t. If you think this then you have wholly missunderstood these laws.
That doesn’t make sense, “if what they did previously wasn’t an issue then introducing a new way of doing it isn’t an issue either” doesn’t logically track.
If you think that then you have missunderstood me completely.
It makes complete sense if you are looking at the totality of what Gaijin is doing, rather than focusing on one thing that isnt even an issue.
Or maybe youve twisted your own arguments in such a circle you dont understand them anymore?
They arent doing anything “new”. They already have systems set up to automatically create accounts using our personal info.
The only difference is the copying of our game progress data, which is NOT personal info.
If Gaijin is allowed to handle our personal info through automated means already, which they clearly do and have been doing for some time, then there is nothing preventing them from using automated means from copying game save data that doesnt fall under protections of the data laws.
Edit. And even if the save data was under protection of the laws, Gaijin would still be able to manipulate it just as they do our personal info already.
The law is the law, it wouldnt stop one function without stopping them all.
That’s like saying laws about driving stop all actions that you can do with a car. No, they dictate what you are allowed to do with the car and in what ways you are allowed to use the car at certain times and places. Like “you can go att different speeds but not above [x]km/h” in the same way GDPR might dictate “You are allowed to copy personal data but only [this way] while also creating documentation proving that you had permission, showing why you did it, showing how you did it and that you did it safely” (random examples that might not be accurate to the law, just examples to show what i mean).
Not the case, i just feel like you aren’t actually reading what i’m writing and just assume that i mean something i don’t.
Yes:
To me it’s pretty clear that: “the system we had […] is clearly not suited” , " requires extensive automation" means that they have to create something new to handle how it’s done. Perhaps not replace the actual copy paste process, but everything around it (that also comes in contact with personal information), and for all we know they might also mean that the copy paste system itself needs updating but that last part is just a guess.
What about this:
Makes you think that they only copy some parts?
I haven’t said there is… I haven’t said “prevent” i have said “makes it harder than many make it out to be”. How many times do i need to repeat that part?
Jesus dude, you are worse than Gaijin.
Your statements were saying that the laws applied to one car, but not to the one next to it. Which is completely ridiculous.
Again
There is no issue with law, unless Gaijin has been breaking the law this whole time, and continues to break the law even today.
They have been doing it, so whatever “paperwork” might be involved they are already dealing with.
I am reading everything. You just dont seem to understand the situation, or what is going on here.
As most people that join this conversation, you didnt care enough to try reading into it before jumping in.
The copy isnt new either. Technically, since the copying has been done already, even if they automate it that wouldnt make it new.
All they are doing is writing a program to do the copy on its own.
if the copy can be done manually, then there is clearly no issue with law.
Again, you arent looking at the totality of the situation.
Again
And?
Probably a difference in file structure between a console account and a PC one. Which would mean the data couldnt just be copied over straight. There is also the consideration of Gaijin’s other games like CrossOut that cant transfer progress between console and pc, so there would be 2 sets of save data if the game was played on both, and why we loose the pc progress with the transfer.
And this also doesnt have anything to do with law. Again, theyve done it before.
They have too. Save data from their other games like CrossOut are also tied into the account and arent transferred. Just like with the link i sent you said about loosing progress and purchases with the other games if played on PC.
Gaijin has all of our progress data data saved to a single file. Which makes things easier from a company perspective, but makes maintenance on that data harder as there is more of it in one place.
Its not hard if they already have automated programs doing some of the work.
The hard part is convincing people like you there isnt anything but Gaijin stopping themselves from fixing this.
I made a comment to a user that said they could use AI and have it done in a week, i said it isn’t that simple, then you jumped into that comment and turned this into the discussion we are now having as if what i was saying applied to the entire thread all at once.
It hasn’t:
Not what i was saying…
Sigh… The issue with the law is that it controls HOW they can do things WHICH MAKES IT HARDER TO DO, not impossible, doesn’t stop them from doing it, MAKES IT HARDER, TAKE LONGER AND BE MORE CONVALUTED.
That is EXACTLY what i’m doing…
There isn’t a difference, it’s the exact same, when you create a console account for War thunder it is ONE single account that also works for PC, it’s just two different ways of accessing the exact same, single, thing:
I don’t understand your point here, you said they didn’t copy personal data, but they copy the ENTIRE account to a new empty one. How in the world does that then NOT contain personal data?
There it is again, “stopping”, when did i claim “stopping”?
WHICH MAKES IT HARDER TO DO, not impossible, doesn’t stop them from doing it, MAKES IT HARDER, TAKE LONGER AND BE MORE CONVALUTED.
You have completely failed to see my point here, i have acknowledged your point multiple times but yet you keep answering me as if i’m opposing the entire idea of a transfer even being possible when i have not done so at all. If you cannot fathom this then i’m done here, there is no point in trying to explain my point to someone who thinks i’m talking about something different even though i have clarified multiple times that that isn’t what i’m saying or talking about.
You are circling yourself now and this is going no where.
You brung up law and steered this to where we are now.
All I have done is respond to you.
You, just like the couple people before you, tried bringing law into this without any understanding of it and without caring to consider that Gaijin already manipulates our data.
It doesnt matter if Gaijin copies our email to make a new pc account, or if they copy our email to make a console linked account when we first start playing on console. The act of copying our data is still being done, and I assume that Gaijin is already doing so within the scope of the law.
You are circling yourself now, trying to repeat yourself and somehow get validation from it? Im not really sure where you are wanting to go with this anymore.
Back to the original issue of law preventing/making more difficult the transfers.
If law was a factor it would have been an issue before now with the current transfer system.
If law was an issue with the way Gaijin handles our personal data, it would have been an issue before now.
There are policy’s on what can be transferred, but those policy’s are between Gaijin and the console companies and only restrict what can be transferred. (See my earlier post about it) The dev has admitted the transfer issue exists simply because they aren't working on it.
Any difficulties arising from laws, would already be being dealt with in Gaijin’s current actions with our data and would not make a process they already engage in anymore difficult than it already is. Automating the transfers only makes life simpler for Gaijin.
If Gaijin makes ANY changes to the process, all the previous compliances has to be re-checked, re-documented and made sure they still follow that law. They cant just change how they do things and assume that they are still in compliance. That is not how that works at all. You obviously haven’t worked in any managerial position within the EU in the last 7 years, if you had you would have known this. I have.
It VERY likely was. That doesn’t mean it won’t be a problem again when making changes/additions to the process.
For that specific process, and they have clearly stated they need to change the process Extensively .
Absolutely, i’m not arguing against this at all. I’m ONLY arguing this:
Honestly, after a whole year of basically saying NOTHING about this topic officially, they either need to figure something out, or just come out and say, “No, we will not be bringing this service back, make a new account”. Because at this point, I’d rather hear that Gaijin doesn’t care and would rather make a good amount of players either quit or make new, from-scratch accounts, than hear nothing at all for another year.
