I was thinking no bombs stock like the Jaguars or no BOZ pod stock so no flares or chaff
9Gs wouldnt actually be too bad imo, as its not your main role.
Though still very annoyed the Tornado IDS SLE gets Aim-9Li stock but the Tornado GR4 has 9Ls stock and has to unlock 9Ms
Yeah… GBUs are too OP in ARB
m2k has something similar
16 CM’s at 14.0
PGM’s are OP A2A missiles bro
Fun fact: you need to fight against F-15A in a dogfight at full-uptier match nowadays.
probably Gaijin think it is perfectly fine
Because Tonka is 4th-gen, while F-15A is also 4th-gen
Just like how we got Tonka GR.1 while Americans got F-16A back in the day when Apex Predator dropped.
How about abandoning her until the next update drop?
If she got demoted to rank 7 from rank 8
Then there would be a chance for fewer RP per modification
OFC, any other things wouldn’t changed.
Nah, 12x Mk13 bombs is more OP in ARB than 4x Aim-9M and 4x Aim-7M
/s if it wasnt obvious
Tornado F3 at 12.0 is still.destroying lobbies. F15a or not.
I played 20 games the other night IIRC i got 40+ kills (really good for me) at one point i had 3 aces in 5 games. Best 12.0.in the game.
Its the bombers that are all.over BR’d. Half the planes in the game, maybe more are useless as they can bonb a base
Idk how people play the ids versions of the tornado in arb tbh,
The air to air versions are actually somewhat fun, but the ground versions just get out sped by mig-23s to the base and do nothing for the rest of the game cause they’re useless air to air wise
Id mostly agree with the 11.3/11.7 versions, they just dont have teeth or endurance to really do much other than bomb bases. Maybe with the intro ARM and maybe SEAD they will have more of a pressence?
But [insert ground attacker here] will always be more effective in a PvPvE gamemode like ASB and not a PvP gamemode like ARB. ARB is literally designed to be anti-ground attacker
That being said… 12.3 ones, at least before the stupid levels of compression… does kinda well with 9Ms. Everyone just seems to assume its a 9L, drops 1 flare and then eats a 9M. When you get attacked, you can just waste their missiles with unlimited CMs, even if you die, you act as a massive decoy for your teammates, I think my record was wasting around 15 missiles before being killed.
You know that what I meant by ‘Tonka’ at that Context was obviously GR.1, right…?
because Tonka F.3 didn’t come out at the Apex Predator update.
Welp, at least we have a good guy from the Tonka family… not every tonka are fooked up.
MB i wasnt around then. But yh its good, maybe a little too good.
I got over 2 kills.a game over a couple.of days - and i juist looked at sharkstat and that only puts me in green.
Meeniing many other better players.are going way harder!
Slow down lads F3 will be 12.7.if you carry on slapping in the tonka😂
Yeah, it was the following major update after the Tornado IDS and then took another major update to get a usable radar and then another 4ish months for it to stop bugging out (with a perfect radar lock, at a target at alt, the Skyflash would just self destruct after 3 seconds. My record was 4 out of 4 fired at an ideal target all self destructing)
Its kinda why the Tornado is so hated, people have really really terrible memory of that first year or so. If it was added now, in that original state, the F3 at 11.7 might have been too high for it. Especially after the F-16s and Mig-29s got massive buffs in the form of IRCCM and the F3 was still being very buggy.
Was 15 months after being added to the game that they finally semi-fixed the FM, and for the IDSs added chaff. That was a long year and a half.
(and as a final nail in the coffin, it had a higher BR in ASB, so it was facing F-16s and Mig-29s 100% of the time for no real reason, it sucked. The Italian ADV was even added at a 0.3 lower BR in ASB for about 3 months)
imo, it probably should be 12.3 alongside the Kurnass 2000 and F4EJ Kai, but shouldnt be alongside the F-16s and F-18As also at 12.3. At least not without BOL overhaul and Phimat Pod(s), then maybe. But the compression is too stupid to really balance anything.
As for a 12.7 one, again, with the right decompression and assuming it got 9Ms… would be kinda fun in its Op Granby weapons fit.
im not good enough to play sim , im ‘casual’ in the sense of skill. will gaijin put it at 11.3 though? probably not, gaijin hates britain. if i wait for base respawns , 9 times of 10 , the game ends before they respawn (either win or i die)
Not sure exactly why but the radar/ super temp combi just work on the F3
Normal sparrows + any other radar in game is a buggy random event. F3 just slaps everything, super temps even do the lose lock- missile still hits magic.
Wish it was available on other jets like the phantom- dogfight sparrows are OK at 11.3 but at 12.0 comparing it to.the F4S also at 12.0 its a fat no.
Highly unlikely, Its more like Gaijin hate the Tornado.
IDS (1995) and ASSTA1 are in the same stupid boat
Though Gaijin just hate Ground attackers in general. There is a stupid mechanic where you get less reward the more bombs you takes, Basically nerfs only ground attackers whilst buffing Napalm carrying fighters
Yeah, the STs have minor advantages over the Aim-7F, like you cant really roll them and the Foxhunter radar is one of the best at that BR
I think all the buggyness early in its life resulted in a lot of issues being resolved that no one has really bothered properly reporting for anything else.
Been reported
Now that it sits at 11.3, it’s easy to grind it. Once you get the MK83, you can take out 2 bases and I had a few games where I was able to take out 4 or more bases.
The plane sits at a much easier br than the F111C (that face the F/A18 early spam).
Nonetheless, this plane only purpose is to bring it to GRB once you get the PGM…
I’d recommend only taking 5-6 Mk83s or 5 Mk13s.
The amount of rewards you get is heavily reduced when you take more bombs and it heavily affects your FM.
Thanks for the advice, yes, apparently it requires 5 mk83 per base so I’ll drop less and the remaining ones will be used against ground unit.
Yeah, that is another option, but the rewards are straight reduced the more bombs you take:
So if you can reliably get 2x base kills, then take more, otherwise, you are just straight better off taking enough bombs for 1 base and then gunstrafing said AI targets instead of using bombs.
Alternatively, you can run Seagles or PGMs on the wing pylons if you really want to maximise your loadout, but im of mixed opinion about whether its worth the performance degredation
Thx again, I’ll change the loadout and will carry only 10 mk83 to maximise the RP and use the cannon for the rest.
Anyway, it’s pleasantly easy to grind this plane right now.
Yeah. 11.3 is definetly a more chill BR for it. Will be excellent if they ever do a decompression.
But in the meantime, just need to get the GR1s engine sorted (its the only one of all 9? IDS Tonkas with the weaker Mk101 engines for no good reason)