So new dev update and still no modelled Terma pods 🥲
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Or limit them to laser only variant
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They also dump flares only from one side last time I checked
its funny that gaijin has some how made what should have been one of the strongest AGMs at top tier be reduced to nothing but a gimmick weapon that isnt worth bringing over a rocket propelled bomb from a plane an entire BR below it
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Thanks for quoting this, I missed it until now. I guess this means no SLAMRAAM (if they stick to no-trailer SPAA), which is crazy.
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There are a few example of that, but there’s plenty of other examples where it’s gone the other way, people just don’t tend to remember those as much. To name a few off the top of my head:
- Phantom FGR.2 getting constant upgrades since it’s addition:
- First PD radar in game
- Among the first to get SARH missiles
- Among the first to get flares
- Among the first to get chaff
- Among the first to get RWR
- Among the first to get HUD in cockpit (albeit basic)
- PARS 3 getting F&F mode added later on
- AIM-9L getting a whole load of buff since it was first added
But a far simpler argument is this: lets say MMW missiles are added in 6 months. You’re working to the assumption that if delayed Brimstone would be added with MMW seeker, whereas it might not get upgraded to one if it’s added now without one. But you don’t seem to be considering the option of Brimstone just not being added at all in 6 months.
Having it in game now is of benefit because it means the devs already have the model and most other attributes sorted. All they need to do is add a new seeker when MMW comes. That means it’s less work for them and more likely to be added.
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Phantom FGR-2 had a PD radar with no SARHM and unlike the Aim9J and R60 on the other peer aircraft the Aim9D didn’t have SEAM so that Radar was worthless until Skyflash was added
But yes the FGR-2 has been consistently updated as Britain have had nothing else we had the FGR-2 since 2019!
Brimstone may be improved over the years as will the Tornado GR.4 one day we might get EW/ECM ASRAAM and Storm shadow but for now we wait…
They were however ridiculously overpowered for quite a while until Gaijin eventually got around to fixing them:
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Yeah they were lethal from miles away and even with the launch g limit they were great just couldn’t do limited all aspect like the J and R60
That reminds me, the FGR.2 was also the first jet to do away with the launch g limit (even if Gaijin did accidently keep changing the back and forth on a monthly basis due to dodgy version control)
All these people have been doing for years is deliberately introducing another OP feature into the game, only to nerf it later and create the next OP feature. This suggests that no one in this game actually cares about balance and never has, because there is no balance in the game. The claims that Brimstone would disrupt the balance are nothing more than excuses.
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I remember when IR seekers were so sensitive/buggy they would lock onto the ground randomly
or you could get within 20km, set a target point, then disengage launch from outside 20km thanks to the point being remembered and passed to the Brimstone’s IOG (which also means they can be launched from behind terrain). Then take the time to reposition and get closer for the terminal laser guidance.
Yep, but that is still a lot more work than most others would have to do and that is still whilst defending against vastly superior CAP
Been said a thousand times before but the MMW seeker defeats smoke and cannot be balanced using existing ingame mechanics. As such its not coming at this time.
And this is where the disagreement is. Everything else is noise. The decision that the ability to see through smoke is the line between being balanced and un-balanced is wrong. Anyone who has played a few games at top tier and been hit by Kh-38, Spike or Mavericks knows this. All these weapons are incredibly powerful against Ground vehicles and Smoke is practically never used to block these weapons.
Brimstones, if added with Mode 2, would play identically to existing missiles with no difference actually felt by players being hit by them. Kh-38T, Maverick and Spike are on one side of the line, Brimstones on the other. But all will function exactly the same in an actual match. So the line is redundant.
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I was taken out by a Su-25SM3 in the ADATS the other day. Never once appeared in my radar or IRST but visually saw him firing at me. Dropped smoke. Still got killed through the smoke…
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Please tell me you don’t mean this one
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/268919739335502416
It was a TV bomb, you didn’t smoke, it was fired from about 6km away and it was a SU-39 not the SU-25SM3
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Then It was the Stormer HVM I spawned in afterwards then. Defo got hit by KH-38 and there was nothing I could do about it. Was out of range and I remember dropping smoke, which rarely is enough to defend against anything that has IOG
But defo didnt detect the Su-25/39 whatever it was, on radar or IRST
Okay phew.
Right so do you think smoking 1 second before impact should’ve saved you?
Smoke deployed 8.38.908
Impact 8.40:109
Okay so 1.2~ seconds before impact.
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The point is, I only knew I had a Su-25SM3 firing KH-38s at me because I vusually spotted them being launched. The Su-25SM3 never once appeared on my IRST and was fired at twice the range I could ever hope to hit in even an ADATS. (must have been a later missile I spotted and not the one that killed me, which then brings up the other point of even knowing you’ve been shot at in most SPAA)
I popped smoke as soon as I did spot them and tried moving as well. It still hit and killed me. 90% of my encounters are the same with the KH-38s. Short of putting a building between me and the aircraft, Im dead.
Brimstones mmV is determined to be too OP because it can see through smoke. But KH-38 is so fast and has such good IOG, that even if you see the launches and pop smoke. 9/10s you will still die
Su-34 is only going to make that worse. But IOG on the KH-38 perfectly balanced, KH-38 with IR seeker, perfectly balanced. Any KH-38s on the Su-34 is considered perfectly balanced.
Just feels like cherry picking
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