I don’t want to discuss this, as it won’t go anywhere. The ICE is horrible, no questions asked. Doesn’t matter it’s going to 13.0 its still reaaaaly bad.
IDK much about GR Tornado’s, but I’d rather have them than the ICE.
edit: yall also get AIM 120Bs and 9Ms on the F3 Late … its better than the ICE.
The recent Leopard nerf would like to have a word ;P
And from a German main, they have the “best” MBT (maybe) (STRV 122B+/2A7HU might be better)
I guess it could be considered a matter of perspective.
Out of interest, if the 8BM60 was taken away from Russain MBTs would you consider that a nerf? The vehicle is still usable, it still has other rounds it can fire and can still kill every other ground vehicle in the game.
I would come up with an air example but I main ground so it’s easier for me to use that as an example.
I would agree if it wasn’t being limited to its worsted mode which is kinda a nerf when in reality we could have Mode 2
Personally. I have little faith in the Devs when it comes to Britain getting a mechanic “when it’s ready to be added” which is a major part of my concern for it.
Look at MAWS for the Gr7. We were told, “fixed wing MAWS is not a mechanic”. Then they add the F111A with MAWS and nothing. No MAWS for the Gr7 and we are told “Gr7 uses a different MAWS to the f111a and can’t be modeled currently” So will come when it can. 5 months later, we get the f111As MAWS and another 7 months on from that it’s still a placeholder.
“We will get this when there is proper counters”, is such an ambiguous term because what exactly is a proper counter? Is there even one? And will we actually get it if that day comes?
Brimstone is our (correct me if I’m wrong) only AGM for the Typhoon. If it’s not FnF by that point. We are massively disadvantaged compared to everyone else once again. My biggest fear. We’ll have things like F-35s before we see mmVs. This is also renders US and UK helis fairly DOA as I don’t believe either used anything other than either laser guided or mmVs and so neither will never get FnF which puts them massively behind the curve.
something something gaijin is just doing this to screw over uk players something something
Hmm given it had it in its full form and then taken away, provided it wasn’t done for historical purposes, I’d agree that would be a nerf.
Exactly this. It’s hard to hold out any hope that things will be changed in the future when so many British vehicles are waiting to be updated. There’s so many bug reports for British vehicles which just sit in the acknowledged phase and then are never heard of again.
Just look at the AH Mk.1, it has been in the game for 4 years now and is outperformed by so many helicopters because it doesn’t have the ordnance that it was designed for. I had some hope after seeing Spikes added to the game but this article dashed any hope of any mmW missiles being added.
It’s all so demoralizing and why I struggle to play or enjoy Britain any more.
yeah kinda in the same boat I was looking forward to the update but seeing that we are getting just a worse ship for naval then our already pretty meh top vessel, and that the tornado is being nerfed but things that are arguably more broken arent I think im just gonna pass on this update
Yeah, I was hoping for hellfires with spike seekers as a stopgap, but alas, looks like 8km laser guided missiles for us for the foreseeable future
I guess a better example would be if the T-90M wasn’t already in the game and there was an announcement that it would be added but without that 3BM60 round.
Would you see that as a nerf? I would see it as a nerf.
Hmm maybe but I’d lean on that being balance decision. This is largely perspective. For example if they cut Brimstones pen in half because it worked to well or something. I’d call that a nerf for sure. Or if the SAL mode was missing IOG to limit its range.
By the definition of it, the weapon not functioning at full capabilities due to balance purposes, its nerfed.
Its not a manner of perspective. Btw im.not arguing it should have x mode or not im just stating that it is actually pre emptively nerfed for balance.
Chieftain mk5, LRF an l15a5 round.
Challanger 2 armours, i mean christ theres a gigantic list on this forums somewhere of all the reports on the challanger 2 alone.
It is now undeniably the worst top tier mbt due to the reload buff.on the arriete and merkava.
One of the best tanks of its time.
Useless in game, i got one tapped through the UPF by 2S38 last time i took out my challanger 2s n just cant now, hundreds of battles in them.and i just cant man, the leo2a5 with the leo2pl is funner to use than the entire 12.0s challanger 2s.
N lets not talk about the challanger 3 TD that in game is a mix mash insult, has all the challanger 3 production weapon systems, has the challanger 2 armour, but the tech demo had fhe farham.
Missing the trophy system.
Missing the armour.
Missing its spall liners.
The challanger 3td in game is a mix.mash of the real.Tech demo, and the actual.challanger 3.
Lets not talk aboit how they want to nerf the rarden auto cannon ammo cause folks crying about the fox.
Or how they have the best hawker hunter in tbe German tree followed by the F6 for france being better than the f6 in britain at a far lower br.
That is my list:
But it is outdated and I lost the will to keep it updated, it was clear they didnt care to do any more fixes than they did. Personally, my biggest issue is the 4 round ready rack. Basically makes the CR1/CR2 have some of the worst fire rates in the game, on top of having the worst mobility and sub-par protection.
I did think it was your list sir but i didnt want to make claims.
Even if we go for the list gaijin provided with tbe roadmap , what 6 months ago? They paid.lip service by changing engine noises, and some other cosmetic and audio changes they didnt fix any of the actual.bug reports.
The challanger 1 tanks at least have decent armour for the br.
The challanger 2s can be breached before you can evem get the commander sight over a crest, the mobility is attrocious comparatively to anything else at the br as you say as well.
Its a poor show that the most defensive mbt for its generation is swiss cheese in game.
Its why I dont really care about the GR4 in GRB. CR2s are so bad that im not even going to touch top tier GRB for a long time. As for Sim though… It sucks to have weapons nerfed to the point of not being really usable, just because of tanks in another gamemode.
I get what you mean, but from my perspective a nerf is a balance decision. I would say that balance and nerf are the same thing but it’s also possible to buff things as part of balance.
I think a lot of frustration in this thread not only comes from the feeling that it’s a nerf but also because any direct comparisons to other ordnance in the game is shot down as too different to be used as an argument.
It also doesn’t help that there has been no budging on the subject matter at all, which leads us to believe that this is just how things will continue to be and the only choice at the end of the day is to just not play Britain - hence why I jumped on the “don’t use it” comment because that’s how we feel about Britain as a whole at the moment.
There’s wider implications that no mmW missiles will be considered for the future either, which means all the helicopter systems that rely heavily on the 114L will continue to be completely outclassed by Russian helicopters or the nations with FnF missiles.
I don’t recall seeing anything saying the TD got Farnham?
The trophy was a mock-up I think, and if gaijin wanted they could specify that it’s the TD as it was during the CR3 announcement.
There’s video footage of the turret interior that (apparently) shows that there’s no spall liners mounted (all CR2s are missing some hull spall liners iirc)
I think its more that we got the TD instead of them fixing the CR2s or adding the full CR3. It just felt like they deliberately gave us a “new top tier” and then made it as bad as possible on purpose.
We didnt need another MBT and realistically speaking, its barely a side-grade to the 2E or BN, especially since the nerfs for it. DM53 are good, but not THAT good.
I’m fairly sure we got the TD before the actual CR3 prototype was revealed?
Edit: the silver lining is that the TD got the 2E and BN foldered, so the grind there was a little faster while the TD remained a more optional end-of-line