let me repeat myself to see if you follow along.
the Grom-1 is just a KH38 that cannot track moving targets… Nobody was going to use it in GRB, and there is nothing it does to GRB that the KH38 does not already do.
You understand why it cant be compared to the brimstone yet?
It can be compared, just not very well. But read what i said.
Something to note, is the Grom-1 also could use the KH-38 seekerheads too apparently, so if it had been added, I dont think we were too far away from a Grom-1L or T
I understand what you said. You seem to not be understanding by trying to compare the Grom and Brimstone.
These missiles are NOT the same, these weapons do not have the same impact.
The Grom was removed for the sake of Air RB and Sim
The Brimstone was nerfed for the sake of GRB
The Grom would not have done anything to GRB that the KH38 isn’t already doing. Therefor… it would change nothing.
So weve established were on the same page, im.no longer comparing them.
What i am saying is, maybe its further up now, why is the brimstone nerfed into the ground. In comparison to the kh38, if one can be added fully functional, so should the other. Not artifically nerfed for the game mode.
Just like they’ve rolled back adding the grom due to not being able to balance it.
Im not comparing the weapon systems. But the way they are going about them.
the only real reason that exists for the brimstone nerf is just blatant hypocrisy (and I say this in the most honest and critical way possible. Because there really isn’t a nicer word for it)
The KH38 breaks half of the reasons given for why the Brimstones wont have their FNF modeled, and the other reasons (LOAL especially) isn’t a valid excuse because countless weapons in game should have it and dont because balance (but suddenly it’s unreasonable to remove it from this weapon)
I find this nerfing stuff to suit brs a bit ridiculous when thats why the brs exist in the first place.
Dont introduce a platform with its weapon systems nerfed into the ground, for any nation.
This nonsense of half adding stuff and calling it a day is why so many folks are up in arms imo
what’s highlighted in yellow is completely valid
what’s highlighted in green, either isn’t a valid reason because gaijin has gone out of their way to tweak it on other weapons while retaining their identity, or has already been broken multiple times by several weapons
Blatent as well.
Biggest issue is the top tier compression. You have 2.3 BRs worth of aircraft all sat at the exact same BR, all fighting each other. GR4 with SAL only Brimstones would be fine if the worst thing it would face is single role aircraft. Even if those were still fairly strong ones like the F-4, or even F-16s. Because if they wanted to spawn in CAS, then they would instead be in things like the F-111, Su24, Su-39 or a harrier
The problem is that the GR4 will be facing not only Fox-3s, but Fox-3 multiroles like the F-15E, F-16C and Su-34 pretty much every match, aircraft that can take out half your team on the ground with FnFs and then hunt for the free kill that is a Tornado at that BR.
No it isn’t.
That’s the point. Yak-141 and Ho-229 are both real aircraft.
SAL-only is a historical firing mode idk what to tell you
The issue, is that I doubt mode 1 would be used for the context of anti-tank work in contested airspace. It was intended when you had air superiority and providing CAS for troops on the ground or during a counter insurgency strikes like in operations like Op Shader.
Mode 2 and 3 is what would have likely been used to deal with tanks within the vague context of GRB, or even ASB
Only 6 months? You’re quite generous.
oh no thats until they acknowledge it
isn’t a decent amount of high tier CAS intended to be used with air superiority though? Standoff munitions, as far as I’m aware, are more to improve the chance of surviving against SAM sites/MANPADS. the AJ.168 is meant to be an AShM as well I think, not used against tanks in contested airspace?
Only having one mode out of three makes the missile ahistorical. The mode is historical, the missile is ahistorical.
Also the reason we keep bringing it up is because otherwise there is zero chance of something being done. If it gets added as it currently is then it will never get fixed, because Gaijin does everything it possibly can to avoid fixing anything British. The Challenger 2 threads and bug reports make this very obvious.
To a degree, yes, but I suspect they would be far more likely to use TV or IR Guided AGM-65s than the laser guided variant though I reckon.
AJ-168s were originally intended as an AShM but the actual guidance mode would make them pretty effective as a long range stand off weapon to stay out of the way as much as possible.
The preffered anti-tank weapon though of at least the Tornado Gr1 is BL-755s
for the GR4, its probably mode 3 Brimstones
Comparing WT or IRL is never going to work perfectly, of course. But that is ultimately the issue with the mode 1 Brimstones. They really arent designed for the use case in war thunder.
There is also the lack of dedicated CAP and SEAD that would be accompanying the Tornados
my understanding is that even if the other modes come they’ll be added as separate missiles due to limitations with the game, guaranteeing that every Brimstone implementation will be ahistorical by that standard
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Also the reason we keep bringing it up is because otherwise there is zero chance of something being done. If it gets added as it currently is then it will never get fixed
but every time it’s mentioned you get the same answer, it’s already confirmed several times that we won’t get mmW for the time being. The mass has been corrected and three other reports have been passed (though we’ll have to wait and see if those are corrected)