only 2 IRCCM missiles and that fact it’s a tornado sounds like an ideal 11.7 jet to me.
HMD? Maybe consider A10 with 9M is 11.3, so +1400km/h + hmd = 1 BR? Maybe consider the fact that JH7, with PL8 aka Python 3(More manoeuvrable I know) but HMD makes up for part of it and the speed is pretty much the same, that is 12.3 worthy, now the tornado is at least 12.0 if not 12.3 worthy in comparison.
just saw this image, are these actually equivalents to the brimstone that have F&F capability or is it just reddit brainrot?
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So like the Su-25SM3 does now. Just let it sit above its own airfield, unleash its KH38s, then go land for a rearming, all while being protected by only SPAA in the game that can immediately lock and attack enemy air targets the moment they spawn in.
But no, the Bridgestone is too capable.
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those are GNSS guided (which technically makes them immune to smoke) and have 50-150km range depending on variant (so easily outrange SAMs).
On the flip side they can’t actually track anything.
yeah :D
BTW one of them have 1500kg warhead …:( it dont have to hit u … just land next to u :(
they can add more ADS for ground unit
they can add IFF to prevent friendly fire
they can add chaff in smoke to make it work like TV/IR guieded missile
they can give it higher SP need
they can give AHEAD to more AA to make them able to intercept these missile and bomb
they can nerf its ARH and remain its fire and forgot ability
they can use Fighter with Fox3 against it like against su25sm3
they do nothing, just ban it, now it works like a su25T with Vikhr
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Yes it is if it were to be added accurately.
yeah THATS why RU staff when comes to the game always works as intended by its creators. No nerfs no ballooning new air>>ground tech for SU proves that…
As it should be. Saying it can’t be added to the game in its truest state because can’t be balanced when that hasn’t been a priority for a while is a terrible take, start to finish.
Somehow now we care about balancing when we had issues this whole time.
Why wasn’t it an issue when the Pantsir was added?
Or when the Kh 38s were?
Or the R-27ERs (still the best SAHR missile in the game btw with no equal).
Or when Russia became the only nation to have a fully purchasable ticket into top tier (three T-80s, BMP-2M, 2S38, TURMS, and Ka-50)?
Or how any Su-25 can tank 4 SPAA missiles and still fly?
Or when the Yak-141 was added with things it never had installed/affixed? We can buff certain things to an unrealistic state for one nation but we can’t implement something in its realistic state because “it wouldn’t be balanced”?
Sorry but the Brimestone should come with 100% its capability. Saying balance matters at this point means next to nothing. It’s irrelevant.
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I see it as
“our main enemy has a rifle, give one to us as well”
-no, it would not be balanced
^10 billion suggestions and year later^
-we’ll give you a 500kg bomb to counter his rifle, but it would not be a bomb exactly, and we will not be stuffing it full of explosives. Also you will have to literally die in order to use this “bomb”
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I dont think it should have that because whilst this would be hilarious
It would be OP.
That being said… It should get a placeholder FnF that is no more or less effective than we already see on stuff like the AGM-65.
Martels and now Brimstones have notable nerfed performance over IRL is quite annoying (and heck on the Martels, not a TV guided weapon, not even close, but has FnF, technically that is WAY more powerful than it was IRL as it can fire and guide 3 at once instead of just 1 at a time.)
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Ka-50 was never part of that lineup, and BMP-2M is not a premium.
On top of that, there’s only 1 T-80 for the 10.3 lineup: T-80UD.
On top of ALL that: USA: Wolfpack, KVT.
China: WMA301, T69II, T-62 545.
Sweden: Strv 81, VIDAR, Strv 103-0.
Soviets are not special, they are 1 of 4 total tech trees.
R-27ERs were added in response to their equivalent: AIM-7F/M.
R-27R’s equivalents are all at 11.3 - 12.0.
KH-38s for the time being are AGM-65 equivalent until a point there is SPAA that are in the 20 - 35km range.
A-10 and Su-25 taking on 4 SPAA missiles is nothing new.
Yak-141 being added by the Kikka/Ho-229 rules is not new and mentioning it is admitting there’s no Russian bias.
Everything you mentioned is evidence that no Russian bias exists.
Thanks for admitting Russian bias is a myth.
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How is that an issue? Did we not just get a trailer where the Su-34 fired off four missiles in one go?
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There is a difference though, there is firing off four AGM-65s for example, manually aiming and targeting each target before firing. Likely in the F-15E/Su-34s case, they will be GPS guided bombs and not hit a moving target.
Brimstones however…
Can be rippled fired off at 300ft without line of sight of the target, they will climb and go find the targets themselves. Coordinating with each other to all hit an independent target.
Full strength Brimstones would see the GR4 walking away with 12x kills every single sortie and never once exposing themselves to enemy fire.
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The argument against it still doesn’t carry water. Balancing can’t be an issue now when it hasn’t been in the past. And at this point, still isn’t. Players have repeatedly made reasonable requests and suggestions to bring balance to several imbalances that have already been pointed out and next to nothing has actually been considered or implemented.
So balancing doesn’t matter. Clearly it hasn’t. Saying something can’t come 100% because it wouldn’t be fair is a ship that has long sailed.
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He was talking about “fully purchasable ticket into top tier” instead of lineups
and while he’s wrong with the amount of premium T-80’s (if we are not taking T-80UK into account) he is right about “fully purchaseable” part
You want to go into 10.3-10.7 BR lineup - we have a deal for you - Turms+T-80UD+Su-25K+BMP-2M which you purchase for gold that comes with previous 3 packs
Wanna 11.7 - you won’t believe what i’m about to say - T-80U-E1+Su-39+Ka-50 and T-80UK with gold
While he is absolutely right, so you are with mentioning other nations. BUT tell me where you get so full setups in other nations than USA/USSR?
Unjustly buffed in the game so he is absolutely right about them being the best SARH
R-27R’s equivalent in game is AIM-7F
one losing all wing/flap control to a single 23mm round into the tail structure, yeah, that one
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T-80UK, T-80UM2, T-80UD, T-80U-E1, T-72M2, T-72 TURMS-T, BMP-2M, Object 292, 2S38, KA-50.
No other nation has that stacked of a line-up you can just buy.
Edit, forgot the Mig-23ML, the Su-25K, and the Su-39.
Edit 2: forgot the Su-25BM and Su-22M3
I did not include 292,UK,UM,M2,2M(same for Su-25BM/-22M3) because they are either squadron or event tech and you need little bit more than 2 brain cells and a credit card to buy them (also Moderna is kinda more expensive than Turms+Su25K+T-80UD) setup