Sorry I felt you mischaracterized your experience in that game. Any weapon even laser guided would’ve killed you in there. You had ample options when you spawned and I felt you had lots of available defilade to move into to get your bearings.
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I was dodging the 3 or 4 enemy CAS up and trying to find an angle whilst also avoiding the enemy team that appeared to be actively pushing our spawn. There was no where safe. Not that I could do anything in the Stormer vs anything that was active, nor could the ADATS
(Quite frankly why the ADATS is 11.7 and not 10.7 is beyond me tbh)
TLDR: 3/4 of the reasons that Gaijin gave for nerfing Brimstones so hard are totally and completely irrelevant and the last is tenative at best
Isn’t Brimstone 2 just dual-mode Brimstone?
No, upgraded motor
Nah its a new rocket motor. And some other improvements. But a 200% range increase.
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SAL only Brimstone 2 I think would be the fairest thing they could do. Brimstone 1 AND SAL only (and possibly a load of modeling issues that werent fixed I dont think yet like it could barely hit anything past 14km )
Just feels like slamming it way harder than it needed.
But they need to come up with a solution to mmV ASAP, because the lack of FnF on the apache really sucks
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Seems like something really easy to fix using the smoke.
All it boils down to in the end is that the devs didn’t want something strong in the game for a nation that isn’t favoured by them, that’s why they use disingenuos arguments against people in the thread. The refusal or out right mocking of comparisons made to other ordnance really just proves this.
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You see, even if there are 1300 replies refuting Gaijin, they will still stick to their own opinions. If the USSR didn’t have S1 and KH38, it wouldn’t be a big deal whether or not to send Brimstone, but now Gaijin seems to believe that no series deserves to have more AA&CAS power than Russia, especially the small TT represented by the UK. If the USSR removes SI and KH38, no one will be angry about the weakening of Brimstone
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Wont the IIR PGMs effectively be a Kh-38 analogue? It’ll be slower but a max lock range of 20km with IOG (which the TV versions will also be getting).
With the Osa coming to the tree there’s also potential for an Indian Pantsir iirc.
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It seems that the Pantsir from India has not been delivered yet, and PGM is still testing the suit. As I said, if everyone has such air to ground missiles in the future, no one will feel angry
The T-72B3 Jammer Monster
The issue though is that ADATS vs Su-34 firing off 6x KH-38s (or even SU-25SM3 with 4). at the most you might be able to intercept 1, maybe, i’ve never seen a AGM appear on my radar though. But i’ve had a Pantsir intercept 3x PGMs enroute to him before. In fact, that match, I managed to land and rearm 3x, firing 3x PGMs at him everytime, none got close.
Their slow speed and the fact you have to treat them more like a glide bomb than an AGM, makes them far easier to shoot down than an AGM-65 or KH-38. They also seem to struggle far more if the target is moving loads. But I am excited to see if the IIR seeker will actually lock at an acceptable range, I struggled to get a lock past about 10km more often than not.
With a couple of possible native options like the Supacat HVM and Sky Sabre, it would be a real shame if the solution was a C&P Pantsir.
There we so many options, from a placeholder seeker like they’ve done with the AJ168 Martel to just giving us Brimstone 2s so that we had SAL still. but decent range and speed.
At least we did get the better PGMs and they are getting IOG at long last too. But we are gunna need some other buffs like BOL, without mode 3 Brimstones, you are gunna be extremely vulnerable to an Su-34, F-15E or F-16 in multirole
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does Pantsir radar see Hellfires?
I think so
Exactly, all you need is two additional upgrade packages to be researchable, mangal under the ubh armor package and the jammer monster under the laser warning/measurement package. In this way managal plus side welded steal frame anti DM-53 whatever may come next and of course mega jammer anti missile anti laser illumination. That will be something.
You know, after playing the new update it just confirms everything I felt previously. Only Russia is allowed to have functioning equipment. It is absolutely outstanding how much Russian air dominates ground battles. It’s hilarious that the Brimstone is deemed to powerful because it “can’t be countered” yet the Russian jets are firing off missiles that no one can possibly see before they’re hit by them and watch as half the team is wiped out in seconds by it.
This is like the Mig-27K spam a few years back but like 500% worse. Top tier is pretty much unwinnable unless you have Russia on your team.
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At the very least. They need to give the GR4 BOL.
Fighting 14.0s like the F-15E in a Tornado Gr4 doesnt sound fun
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I only played air to unlock CAS for ground so I’m not too familiar with how top tier air is atm but in ground it’s just crazy how many KH missiles I’m seeing completely wipe out my team. It’s very difficult to enjoy or even get a victory in ground at the moment.
Yeah, the fact the soviets have the best AGMs and the SPAA is kinda insane. But the biggest issue with the lack of FnF missiles on the GR4 is the pressence of multiroles like the F-15E, Su-34 and Gripen that the ultimately pure ground attacker aircraft like the GR4 has to defend against whilst loitering waiting for a Brimstone 1 to hit. GR4 doesnt have that much of an upgrade over the 11.3 Tornado IDS
Having an absolutely insane amount of CMs to defend against AMRAAM and similar fox-3 missiles would be a notable boost to survivability.
In the future though, they should replace the Brimstone 1s with Brismtone 2s. Even they are still limited to SAL, they would have at least comprable performance to the AGM-65s and KH-38s
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