Tornado GR.1s were fitted with the uprated engines in real life but Gaijin refuses to give it the 103s as they wanted the GR.4 to be more distinct, this is stupid and ridiculous however as the Tornado IDS WTD61 didn’t receive this treatment whilst being a lower BR “variant” of the Tornado IDS ASSTA 3.0.
Gaijin and their double standards I guess
Their standard was always clear.
‘Always choose worst for Makes every brits not happy.’
:/
It is a miracle that GR.4 got PGM.
Since when has Gaijin ever cared about minor nations? They did the same thing to the Finnish Hornet, “let’s make it weak as possible, so then we can release another jet and make it more notable in difference”
Yeah, as others have said. It could have either. It’s just solid BS reason why the Gr1 doesn’t but the Italian 11.3 IDS does. It literally makes no sense. Perticularly as the GR1 we have is practically an end of life version with TIALD and PGMs
The only justification for it might be that Britain has ever so slightly more powerful unguided bombs, but it’s such a tiny advantage it doesn’t warrant the nerf
The issue of the better engines, while important and frankly a discussion we shouldn’t even have, does not matter as much as the far too high drag we have on all the Tornado models. In my opinion that is
Yeah, they do, ADVs included. It’s from the semi-placeholder FM that they claim cannot be finished due to game limitations. We have too much drag and missing a fair amount ITR currently. Let alone combat thrust for an extra boost of speed. But none of that will be fixed any time soon, if ever.
So instead Mk103 engines for GR1, then things like the radar being modeled, additional loadout options like BL755 and Sky Shadow, etc etc are things im commiting my energy to getting fixed for now
I think we’ve talked about this a few times already. I don’t get it, such adjustments were no issue with the MiG-23 FMs - yet it is for the Tornado? Never bought their excuses for the sorry state they left the Tonka in
That is why im dubious on their claim its such an issue, but i’ve got no energy to chase them on it. Gunjob might be able to explain better if you ask him, he might know more.
But as for now, im content with just being able to take off and land in something that actually feels like a fighter not a overladen air liner.
9Ms would move it up in BR.
There is no supersonic platform of its capabilities at 11.7 with AIM-9M or equivalent missiles.
The Tornadoes should not become 11.0 again, as the last time they were they ruined air RB matches.
Stockholm’s post is most reasoned, however the Tornado carries as large of a bomb load as the F-111.
The F-111C is a superior dogfighter by far, thus should be a slightly higher BR regardless.
True. Because the other Supersonic platform with IRCCM missiles is at 11.3
RB yes, in SB you have the Mirage F1Cs with 2x Magic II + SARH missiles at 11.7. But I do mostly agree that IRCCM on the main 3 are unncessary at this time. Though they certainly require either something to justify them being 11.7 or they need to drop to 11.3
12.3*
The Tornado GR4, Mig-21Bison, etc that can carry at least 1 bases of ordnance + IRCCM missiles.
Jaguar IS is barely supersonic, 11.3 is really pushing it as it is. I generally ignore it when it comes to arguments of aircraft with missiles.
He’s talking about the Jaguar IS with 2x Magic II, its 11.3
The Jaguar IS with two Magic 2s sits at 11.3.
9Ms+Bol would move it to 12.0 atleast.
All of the 11.7 ones should be 11.3 in air RB, because they are functionally identical to the 11.3 ones in air modes.
And there is a considerable difference in capability when comparing a Jaguar to a Tornado. 9Ms also might be better in air RB at that BR too.
The Jaguar is not a supersonic platform that can carry two bases of bombs [not necessarily for bases as I primarily use the bombs against howitzers] with IR missiles.
If you can show me it going even mach 1.05 on the deck with 1 bases of bombs and IR missiles, I’ll support it moving up to 12.3.
@Ion_Protogen
In reality 12.3 where Bison, Mirage 200D-R1, and GR4 are.
Actually, that is probably doable, though you’d run out of fuel near instantly after dropping the bombs.
You’ve forgotten the Mirage F1C that is a supersonic aircraft that has IRCCM + 1x Base kill of bombs at 12.0. That would be aircraft id use to justify IRCCM on it at 12.0, but would rather see it drop to 11.3 and keep Aim-9Ls (though getting dechirped 9Ls would be fun for the GR1, either that or SRAAMs as an alternative)
The F-1C also can’t go mach 1.05 on the deck.
And in full-load mode the F-1C is worse against soft targets.
I know you’re a sim main so these tactics aren’t as known to you.
In air RB there are two methods of using strike aircraft that can’t dogfight: Race or loiter.
Race means speed, which the British Phantoms do best.
Loiter means max load for the soft targets or bases if available, you go in subsonic because your bomb load is what’s going to grant you a lot of score.
Max bomb load goes to the F-111F specifically, but the F-111s are better with guns than bombs against soft targets.
And Tornado is better than Mig-21Bison and F-1C at the loiter tactic.
Tornado is better than both at the race tactic as well.
That’s why the Tornado starts at 11.3, and the GR4 is 12.3.