There is a major balancing issue with all Tornados in-game but I’ll be mainly discussing about the Tornado GR.1, probably the worst Tornado to play for ARB (excluding the GR.4).
The Tornado GR.1 has been 11.7 for the longest amount of time and has aged horribly unwell, introduced at the same time as the MiG-29 and F-16 (which is genuinely comical) not much has changed since introduction besides the addition of the PGM 500/2000.
A lot of vehicles have went up and down in BR since introduction of the GR.1 and it now shares the same BR as the MiG-23MLD which outclasses it severely in almost every single metric - same with the F-4S which is only 0.3 higher.
The most similar vehicle in performance to the Tornado is probably going to be the SU-17/22 which itself sits at 11.0, it has more missiles than the Tornado but in exchange receives undoubtedly inferior missiles, that being the R-60M - for ARB they’re basically the same performance wise.
Yet one sits at 11.0 and the other 11.7, how this came to be genuinely does puzzle me, arguments have been made that moving it down to 11.0 may be too much but remember, the recently introduced F-5A(G) which is basically a F-5A with a modern RWR/cockpit and AIM-9Ls also sits at 11.0.
Changes Required:
Move the Tornado GR.1 down to 11.3/preferably 11.0 or give it AIM-9Ms/BOL countermeasures and keep it 11.7
Move Down To 11.3 or 11.0
Give It BOL Countermeasures, AIM-9Ms and Keep At BR
IMHO, every 11.7BR tornado IDS need to be 11.3BR
as long as they have almost the same capability as the 11.3BR one.
(Having guided munition should never impact BR IN ARB.)
And GR.1 needs an engine upgrade because every other ‘early’ IDS has a Mk.103 engine.
But we all know that Gaijin will keep GR.1 on 11.7 forever and be disgraced by those MiG-23ML gangs.
I just don’t understand why the british tornado gets terrible engines. Did that model never get the upgraded engines? Did they only add them to the gr4?
Tornado GR.1s were fitted with the uprated engines in real life but Gaijin refuses to give it the 103s as they wanted the GR.4 to be more distinct, this is stupid and ridiculous however as the Tornado IDS WTD61 didn’t receive this treatment whilst being a lower BR “variant” of the Tornado IDS ASSTA 3.0.
Since when has Gaijin ever cared about minor nations? They did the same thing to the Finnish Hornet, “let’s make it weak as possible, so then we can release another jet and make it more notable in difference”
Yeah, as others have said. It could have either. It’s just solid BS reason why the Gr1 doesn’t but the Italian 11.3 IDS does. It literally makes no sense. Perticularly as the GR1 we have is practically an end of life version with TIALD and PGMs
The only justification for it might be that Britain has ever so slightly more powerful unguided bombs, but it’s such a tiny advantage it doesn’t warrant the nerf
The issue of the better engines, while important and frankly a discussion we shouldn’t even have, does not matter as much as the far too high drag we have on all the Tornado models. In my opinion that is
Yeah, they do, ADVs included. It’s from the semi-placeholder FM that they claim cannot be finished due to game limitations. We have too much drag and missing a fair amount ITR currently. Let alone combat thrust for an extra boost of speed. But none of that will be fixed any time soon, if ever.
So instead Mk103 engines for GR1, then things like the radar being modeled, additional loadout options like BL755 and Sky Shadow, etc etc are things im commiting my energy to getting fixed for now
I think we’ve talked about this a few times already. I don’t get it, such adjustments were no issue with the MiG-23 FMs - yet it is for the Tornado? Never bought their excuses for the sorry state they left the Tonka in
That is why im dubious on their claim its such an issue, but i’ve got no energy to chase them on it. Gunjob might be able to explain better if you ask him, he might know more.
But as for now, im content with just being able to take off and land in something that actually feels like a fighter not a overladen air liner.
9Ms would move it up in BR.
There is no supersonic platform of its capabilities at 11.7 with AIM-9M or equivalent missiles.
The Tornadoes should not become 11.0 again, as the last time they were they ruined air RB matches.
Stockholm’s post is most reasoned, however the Tornado carries as large of a bomb load as the F-111.
The F-111C is a superior dogfighter by far, thus should be a slightly higher BR regardless.
RB yes, in SB you have the Mirage F1Cs with 2x Magic II + SARH missiles at 11.7. But I do mostly agree that IRCCM on the main 3 are unncessary at this time. Though they certainly require either something to justify them being 11.7 or they need to drop to 11.3