The new viggen is 13.0, the F4 ICE got moved down to 13.0, both much better planes than the F3 late, yet Gaijin seems to have forgotten completely about moving the F3 late down. Its still 13.3, apparently on par with the likes of the mig29smt…lol.
Forgotten and neglected just like the F-4JUnK
Viggen’s objectively worse than both the F-4F ICE and Tornado F3 late, and Viggen’s balanced at 13.0.
It is weird F-4F ICE went down.
Decompression of the 13.0 - 13.7 area is required.
F-14B, Sea Harrier, and Viggen D shouldn’t be the same BR as F-4F ICE, F-15A, Su-27, etc.
it is also weird that Tornado F.3 Late keeps 13.3BR
while F-15E in 13.7 ruined everything and F-4F ICE went down.
Tornado’s FM got buffed but still no match against F-15C/E.
Both F-4F ICE and Tornado F.3 Late aren’t suited for the current deep-compressed fubar at 13.3.
Of course, decompressing is the only perfect option for that problem.
(while Gaijin never does it when players wants to.)
Still, the Current neglect situation about Tornado F.3 Late is quite sad and disappointing.
Gaijin sent Su-27 because it doesn’t have any ARH, and can’t fight against F-15C
Gaijin also sent F-4F ICE because it also can’t stand against F-15C (well, I saw a few Germans claim that.)
but Gaijin just gave lemon to Tornado F.3 Late and British.
Yes to Su-27 and F-4F ICE but NO to Tornado.
Yeah. British are always forgotten and neglected. I agree with OP on this sentence.
Sea Harrier FA.2 is lot much worse than AV-8B+ thanks to its inferior fuselage and wing pylon but shares the same BR with them :/
IMO, Tornado F.3 Late should’ve differed in BR at least +0.7BR(2 steps) lower than F-15C when the Update was dropped. (F-15C should’ve started with 13.3 and should’ve gone 14.0 after decompressing in July.)
I think putting Tornado F.3 Late on Just one step below F-15E (which is utterly useless thanks to the heavily concentrated population on “Top of Top Rank”) is Gaijin’s one-another backstabbing for British Main.
I quit playing Tornado F.3 late right after unlocking AIM-120B on it since few days after the “Seek and Destroy” update
Because it felt like a self-harming experience when I faced F-15C again and again.
and I am not planning to Spade it TWICE both on the Dev and Live server with that painful grinding.
Playing Tornado F.3 Late in the current meta is just a meaningless wasting of time.
Ah yes, another post stealing the F-15JM/C’s glory of being utterly OP despite being the same top speed as the F-15E at this time while having a better flight model than the F-15E.
But yeah, a lot of things are under-BR’d.
No one’s playing the Tornadoes now, even if I should… though I think I’ll spade my British Tornadoes when Typhoon arrives.
I agree with you on some points and also disagree with you on some points.
Yes. In common sense. Both Tornado F.3 Late and F-4F ICE can’t go down because there is a worse plane like SHar FA.2 or JA37DI standing at 13.0
At the same time, Both Tornado F.3 Late and F-4F ICE can’t stay 13.3 because there is nearly no chance to fight against F-15C/JM or F-15E
Typical compressing problem. isn’t it?
Decompressing was the best option but Gaijin didn’t even consider it.
Instead, Gaijin decided to buff them directly which creates more compression
Just like the F-86A/MiG-15 problem on 8.0 BR radius in April this year.
Then Gaijin buffed Su-27, and buffed F-4F ICE, but neglected Tornado F.3 Late. :/
Just the same way when they buffed both Sabres and MiG-15/17 while neglecting all other jets on minors (Ouragan, Meteor, Swift, Vampire…)
what I and OP are saying is
‘Gaijin, if you decided to solve the problem with direct buff, then you should’ve be fair about every jet in the same problem’
If F-4F ICE goes down, then Tornado also should.
If Tornado keeps current, then F-4F ICE also should.
Well, seems it is our ‘new normal’ made by Gaijin. sadly.
As a 100% joke in a hyperbolic way,
In this current ‘new normal’ situation.
Tornado F.3 Late can be considered as over-BR’d plane compared to its counterpart F-4F ICE. (Laugh)
With a joke, I am not recommending that.
You will get your ass clapped again and again by German Typhoons
Just like what I got by F-15C.
I guarantee that Gaijin will not drop decompressing before a month has passed from the new update
So, Eurofighters might be 13.7 too or 14.0-ish when they come up (Facepalm)
while Tornado F.3 Late will still stay 13.3 when that time has come. :/
I die to R-60Ms more than I die to AIM-120s.
A tailpipe launch tends to be difficult to defeat.
Coincidentally that was one of my frags in the F-15E against an Su-34… an AIM-120 up his tailpipe.
You make a lot of good points man, lots of decompression is needed for sure, and I completely forgot about the Sea harrier too.
Just be warned, That Alvis guy is a known troll, hence why I have him blocked.
Greatest issue plaguing the F3 at the moment is BOL. Im finding you need around 50-100 BOL Chaff to defeat 1x Aim-120. BOL Chaff is at 1/4 the effectiveness it should be and the F3s are missing 1-2 Phimat pods for 216 Large Chaff each (1 per wing in-place of fuel tanks or an Aim-9). Getting both sorted would make the F3 Late into quite a decent 13.3. But without, its barely worth of 13.0.
I maintain the same stance for the FA2. Should do fine, and has strengths over the AV-8B+, but one of those are BOL and at the moment, I would rather have 120 more regular CMs than 320 more BOL CMs
If thats the case, typhoon will be REAL fun at top tier… Why the hell is one of the most effective physical CM system the weakest in game FFS.
Yeah… I maintain the same fear for it.
TLDR. Balance.
When the Gripen was added, people were running 720 flares and just dropping 1 every few seconds. So they made the historical change of reducing burn time for the flares and then the ahistorical change to reduce the effectiveness of flares and chaff to be 1/4 the strength of standard CMs.
Now of course, this was never an issue for the Harrier Gr7 with just as many for the 15 months before the Gripen was added, but alas, Gripen was too “OP” and thus nerfed hard and every single other BOL carrier along with it.
I feel perticuarly sorry for the VIggen DI at the moment, at least the F3 and FA2 have some of the best RWRs ingame.
But yeah, Typhoon could have a very rough start in game. Also, high thrust so hot target as well.
They have to revert bols… They should be outright most powerful CMs in the game. Yet they are piss in the wind.
Yup. 99% of Britain’s top tier air could be fixed by that