对中中国科技树处理的不满与诉求:来自中国玩家的心声

对《战争雷霆》中中国科技树处理的不满与诉求:来自中国玩家的心声

Dissatisfaction and Demands Regarding the Treatment of the Chinese Tech Tree in “War Thunder”: Voices from Chinese Players.

致《战争雷霆》开发团队与Bug管理员:

To the War Thunder Development Team and Bug Moderators:

作为长期关注中系载具的玩家,我对Gaijin公司一直以来对中系科技树的处理方式感到极度失望。中系玩家群体始终在合理的范围内积极的提供载具数据反馈,协助完善游戏内容。然而,开发团队对中系问题的长期漠视、无端削弱,以及对合理反馈的敷衍态度,已严重损害了中系玩家信任。

As a long-time player focused on Chinese tech tree vehicles, I am deeply disappointed by Gaijin’s persistent mishandling of the Chinese tech tree. The Chinese player community has consistently provided vehicle data feedback within reasonable parameters to assist in improving game content. However, the development team’s prolonged neglect of Chinese tech tree issues, unwarranted nerfs, and perfunctory responses to legitimate feedback have severely damaged Chinese players’ trust.

经常浏览issue区你就会发现,中系玩家提交的Bug报告总是以更快的速度被关闭,而管理员提供的回复仅仅只是一句冰冷的“not a bug”。管理员总是以资料不充分、资料来源信息不明否决中系玩家辛苦查找的载具资料。而即使侥幸通过的issue也总是不会正式的被更新进入游戏中。

Frequent visitors to the issue tracker can observe that bug reports submitted by Chinese players are consistently closed at accelerated rates, with moderators often dismissing them with nothing but a cold “not a bug” response. Moderators routinely reject carefully researched vehicle documentation from Chinese players using excuses like “insufficient evidence” or “unclear sources.” Even those rare reports that do get approved never receive actual implementation in-game.

载具选择也是别出心裁,我们都知道现实中中国拥有更好配置的坦克或者飞机,但游戏里往往“精心”选择其中的最低配置版本,并以此为理由拒绝修复或者加强中系载具,使得中系玩家总是拿着更“不适合游戏环境”的武备。

The vehicle selection methodology appears deliberately eccentric. While China possesses better-configured tanks and aircraft in reality, the game consistently “meticulously” chooses the most underperforming variants as justification to avoid fixing or strengthening Chinese vehicles. This forces Chinese players to persistently use equipment “less suited to the current game meta.”

长期运营的网络游戏是需要新生血液的,《战争雷霆》也不除外。我相信游戏中有许多来自中国的玩家,中国是一个巨大的流量来源,而其中大量潜在的新玩家不会不希望能够游玩到一个正常强度的中系科技树。贵公司或许不知道,现有的中系强度已经让大量来自中国,抱有体验国产装备幻想的新玩家却步。

Long-term operation of online games requires fresh blood, and War Thunder is no exception. I believe there are many Chinese players in the game community. China represents a massive source of traffic, and numerous potential new players would naturally want to experience a properly balanced Chinese tech tree. The company might not realize that the current state of Chinese vehicles has already deterred countless Chinese newcomers who originally hoped to experience domestically developed equipment.

如果你真的耐心读到这里,我希望《战争雷霆》开发团队与Bug管理员需要明白,我并不是在人身攻击。我们只是热爱这款游戏,热爱能够在《战争雷霆》里体验到现实里无法获得的感受;只是希望《战争雷霆》蒸蒸日上,每个系的玩家不再互相攻击;只是希望《战争雷霆》保留住其“史实”与“拟真”的标签…

If you’ve genuinely read this far, I want to clarify that neither personal attacks nor malicious intent drive this feedback. We simply love this game and cherish the unique experiences War Thunder provides that reality cannot offer. We want War Thunder to thrive, hoping players across all tech trees can coexist without mutual resentment. We want War Thunder to maintain its “historical accuracy” and “realism” branding…

**最后我有一点点的诉求与建议: **

1. 如果官方认为玩家提出的资料不准确无法采纳,那请在每次新载具发布时,公布贵公司的资料来源,公开透明化你们的数据,毕竟能够贵公司正常应用的资料绝对不会有泄密风险。

2. 重新集中处理积压的中系Bug报告,并对延迟响应作出解释。

Finally, I have two modest requests:

1. When rejecting player-submitted documentation as “inaccurate,” please disclose your official reference sources with each new vehicle release. Transparency regarding data sources should pose no security risks if the materials you use are truly legitimate.

2. Re-examine the backlog of Chinese tech tree bug reports and provide explanations for delayed responses.

最后的最后,我实在不想加上这一句话。但正如我开头所说,目前贵公司对待中系科技树的态度严重损害了中系玩家信任。若Gaijin真的继续无视玩家社群的合理诉求,中系玩家将不得不质疑:这是否是出于政治偏见的技术歧视?我们期待一个尊重历史、公平对待所有文化的《战争雷霆》。

我是不是会被删帖禁言呢?

In closing, I reluctantly add this final statement: As indicated at the beginning, Gaijin’s current approach to the Chinese tech tree has severely eroded player trust. Should this disregard for community feedback continue, Chinese players will inevitably question: Is this technical discrimination rooted in political bias? We anticipate a War Thunder that respects history and treats all cultures fairly.

—— 一名失望的中系玩家

—— A Disappointed Chinese Tech Tree Player

(英文内容采用deepseek翻译,如有错误,十分抱歉。)

(The English content is translated by DeepSeek. I’m very sorry if there are any mistakes.)

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sb游戏官方的不作和对中系地面载具的歧视让人愤怒,使用虚构的数据削弱中系的同时又用虚构的数据加强其他系,还拿史实和娱乐游戏平衡性来当借口,这样的结果就是VT5既不符合现实也不具备平衡性,上一次是VT4,再之前是99A,这不是第一次也不会是最后一次。

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Not just Chinese vehicles lots of other vehicles the issue is not unique to China but I feel for everybody upset

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There is no harm but benefit in disclosing official references. We acknowledge that Gaijin has a certain and fair evaluation reviewing the information subbmitted by players, and publishing the references accepted by developers would be a better way to guide players in terms of future subbmittions.

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Frankly it’s the case with all nations except for Russia and whoever Gaijin’s favourite is at the time (it used to be Sweden, now it’s France).

But in general I think Gaijin need to reach out to the community if they need assistance in developing a vehicle, instead of releasing a vehicle that will inevitably be half finished, wasting the communities time who need to bug report everything, and the developers time because now they need to rework half the vehicle.

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Exactly I’d rather a vehicle not come then be ridiculously wrong

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—— A Disappointed Chinese Tech Tree Player

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Gaijin disclosing their sources for a denied bug report would be such a positive change. It will lessen the rift between the devs/bug report mods, and the player base, as well as increase transparency in how vehicles are created. I think that if a bug report has gotten enough attention/info put into it (such as X amount of sources and Y amount of “same issues”, Gaijin disagreeing sources should be shown in some way. It is ridiculous that they can deny a report because they have some conflicting source that we don’t know about.

China’s outstanding bug report situation is quite unique, because it’s a smaller nation in WT that doesn’t always have the best vehicles (in WT), which leads to denied bug reports harming the overall experience more than average.

I really appreciate how passionate the Chinese community is about all of this.

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的确,在战争雷霆中,中国的载具强度与其现实有着巨大差异,而issue区的区别对待封死了一切中国玩家通过官方途径反映的努力。究竟BUG组言之凿凿理由来自哪里?gaijin的数据又来自哪里?用“游戏平衡”的理由对现实进行选择性还原 又仅仅用拍脑袋的方式,在完全可笑的地方削弱(比如VT5,作为ZTQ15的出口型,正面装甲居然会被5.8㎜步枪弹打穿)Indeed, in War Thunder, there is a huge difference between China’s vehicle strength and its reality, and the differential treatment of the issue zone has blocked all efforts of Chinese players to reflect through official channels. What is the reason for the BUG group’s statement? Where does gaijin’s data come from? Use the reason of “game balance” to selectively restore reality, and only use the way of patting the head to weaken it in totally ridiculous places (for example, VT5, as the export model of ZTQ15, the frontal armor can be penetrated by 5.88 mm rifle bullets).

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你们论坛管理员有没有疑惑过为什么中国玩家如此之多,而中系科技树玩家却只占一小部分?你们有没有疑惑过为什么中系科技树玩家怎么少但是关心它的人却很多?gaijin对中系科技树的不关心让你们失去了很多赚钱的机会。
Have you ever wondered why there are so many Chinese players, while only a small fraction of the Chinese tech tree players are played? Have you ever wondered why there are so few players in the Chinese tech tree, but there are so many people who care about it? Gaijin’s indifference in the Chinese tech tree has cost you a lot of opportunities to make money.

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正确的,希望官方重视中系玩家的感受,认真修复中系载具的错误,使其更加贴近现实,这对游戏的未来发展非常有利

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When My external fuel tank of ZBD04A won’t be exploded?
When CN CAS role aircrafts can compete with Russia 16 KH38MTs in total? (Should I thanks to Gaijin because You guys doubled usable amount of KH29T ? Oh goddamn it’s 6 KH29Ts in toptier, that’s OP!)
When get My VT4A1/ZTZ99A/WZ1001/ZTZ99s/ZTZ96As/ZBD04A/ZLT11 spall liners back?
When My VT4A1 UFP can bounce a shot?
When Gaijin realize JH7A is a toptier aircraft and worth to equip PL8B and PL5EII but not a low rank aircraft?

Issues already passed for a whole year, 5 major updates per year but no time for a bug, what the hell are you guys doing? balacne issue? then don’t mark as a realistic game.

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很难,指望用一篇请愿性质的文章来试图提醒或者感动gaijin官方是很难的一件事
我对此报以悲观态度
但至少我们有尝试与gaijin沟通过,我们试图以相对理性的方法消弭玩家和官方之间的成见
希望这真的有一点点用

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gaijin在面对大量玩家提供的数据时的表现,就是相信他们认为正确的。并且他们宁愿使用虚构的数据来完成游戏中存在很长时间的载具,例如勒克莱尔和公羊,同时又使用虚构的数据来加强一些载具,还拿真实性和所谓的游戏平衡性来充当借口。这种充满着歧视和漠视玩家意见的表现,令玩家失望和愤怒。

Gaijin’s performance when faced with a large amount of data provided by players is to believe what they think is correct. And they would rather use fictional data to complete vehicles that have existed in the game for a long time, such as Leclerc and Ariete, while also using fictional data to enhance some vehicles, and using authenticity and game balance as excuses. This kind of behavior full of discrimination and disregard for player opinions has disappointed and angered players.

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十分认同你的观点,尤其是发布新载具时公布资料来源和数据,这非常有利于玩家提前了解载具的性能和制作团队的“用心良苦”

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一个个对中系载具合理需求的issues被nab是十分消磨中国玩家热情的,当这个情绪已经到达了冰点的时候,一个玩家的退坑会引起雪崩一样的退坑浪潮,同时中国玩家也看多了游戏厂商作死之后的事后补救,但是这样也只能挽回一小部分人。我们有一句话形容,不是亡羊补牢,因为玩家的耐心已经没有了,已经没得救了,这句话是“他不是知道错了,只是知道自己要死了”

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如果gaijin继续保持对中系科技树的敷衍态度,为什么不直接删除

If Gaijin continues to neglect the Chinese tech tree with such a half-hearted approach, why not just remove it entirely?

Если Gaijin продолжит так халатно относиться к китайской ветке разработки, почему бы просто не удалить её полностью?

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“If the feature is still incomplete, why do you persistently dismiss issues as ‘not a bug’ and respond to player feedback with perfunctory excuses, instead of transparently stating that it’s still under development?”

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I believe that the arrogance and condescension of trickzzter, the administrator of the issue section, has become a significant barrier to communication between the player community and the development team. During the public testing phase of the game, he has repeatedly dismissed en masse the feedback and suggestions from players who identified glaring issues and attempted to help the development team correct these errors. I recommend that the developers formally warn him to take player feedback seriously or consider replacing him. If his behavior is authorized by your team, you might as well shut down the issue section entirely and proceed with haphazard development based on whims.
我认为issue区管理员trickzzter的自大与傲慢是玩家与开发组之间沟通的一个巨大障碍,他屡次在游戏的公开测试环节玩家发现明显问题在issue区进行反馈的时候批量否定各类试图帮助开发组纠正错误的玩家建议,我建议制作组应警告他认真对待玩家的提议,或者换掉他。如果他的行为得到了你们的授意,你们可以把issue直接关掉按你们的臆想胡乱制作。

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