Topic about Japan adds t84 and vt4

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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It’s a Thai vehicle,
In war thunder Thailand is a secondary nation in the Japanese tech tree.
Why wouldn’t they have the VT-4, OPLOT and the M48/M60 tanks?
They are tanks of the Royal Thai Army.

Gaijin included Thailand to the Japanese tech tree to broaden out their small lineup.
Smaller tech trees such as France, Italy, Sweden, China and Japan needed some extra vehicles, a simple solution is adding a secondary or tertiary nations.

I see this as quite a simple solution and opens the possibilities for more nations and hopefully more fleshed out tech trees and have the secondary nations their own individual tech tree folder within the primary tech tree.

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I would have hated it if Japan/Thailand had got the VT-4 before China, now I’d be fine with it if they do or don’t get it, the VT4 isn’t the MBT of China/PLA.

If it leads to fixes for the VT4A1, even better.

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Isn’t respecting history and reality the purpose of the WT? I can agree with what has been captured in history, but what has not happened in reality should not be added to the game

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4 tanks sold to USA

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I wonder if it will also appear in US Tree as squadron or prem since it was used as an opfor.

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You really have to go through massive mental gymnastics huh?

  1. domestically developed
  2. received as aid
  3. captured
  4. legitimately purchased

wow, that massive loops we have to go through… oh wait a min, thats not the rules gaijin have to follow…isnt?

This is completely unlike arbitrarily adding a vehicle to the Japanese tree that has zero historical ties to Japan’s development – especially when the vehicle’s nation of origin already has its own dedicated tech tree .

ah so like, the entire thai air tree in japan because literally none of those thai aircraft has got anything to do with japan. Did you made noise about it when thai aircraft was added in? guess not

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No…? T-72s being in the same lineup as Leo 1s and alikes, T-90s alongside Challengers, time-travelling IFVs built in 60s-70s fighting alongside and against WW2 tanks…

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what has not happened in reality?

thai agreed to ally with japan when japan came knocking their doors back then
even today thais are on nice terms with japan
thais themselves got vt4

whats the issue?

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just double standarts from some chinese players coming from their forum…
complaining about a chinese produced tank being added to a subtree in the japanese techtree.
ROC has multiple vehicles from other nations also japanese aircraft, which is in the Chinese techtree.
Main reason why they are mad is a political topic, which is invalid due to the last sentence, and the best way for their goal is making drama.
They think that the more drama they make here/ getting support from non chinese players the more likely it is the vt4 is not getting added to thailand.

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In simple terms, having a VT-4 tank in the Japanese tech tree hurts their national pride.
or it is Japan receiving Thai vehicles in september (It’s basically the chinese equivelant of V-Day).
That’s probably why there is such a active response from the Chinese player base.

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didnt they say they wont add it next update (september)?

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Actually, I don’t understand why the appearance of a low-spec VT4 in the Japanese tech tree would cause such a stir among domestic players. But I think it’s not appropriate to add VT4 tanks (along with aircraft) to the Japanese tech tree on days like September 3rd or October 1st, which are celebration dates. Otherwise, it would really be provoking Chinese players.

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Everyone has the right to express their thought, don’t use dehumanization words like flood as if Chinese players should not be here or don’t belong here

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There was nothing official ever saying it would be added on those days, and it has been specifically confirmed by CM Smin to not be coming this patch.

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Bruh… nowhere did they say Chinese players don’t belong here.

Flood isn’t dehumanizing, though you are free to have that opinion. Fine you don’t like flood, let’s use something else.

That did not stop a large influx of posts in the forums. Whatever the word, at the end of the day it’s a fact there was an outrage from the chinese community and them voicing it out POST announcement.

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There’s no need to keep on spamming that. People can simply read the thread.

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I have read the different speeches made by friends from various countries, and I will tell the truth as a Chinese. VT4 was exported to the Kingdom of Thailand. VT4 really belongs to Thais, which is indisputable. They have the right to choose whether VT4 will appear in the game. But what Chinese players dislike is that at this special time, it’s like a wonderful chemical reaction.

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Yes — I do know we shouldn’t discuss politics in the forums, so I will state things cautiously and only introduce objective phenomena: why the future implied by this rumor offends and unsettles Chinese players (in fact many people are very angry about this now) and why, when implemented, War Thunder would lose a large number of Chinese players.

ok and we are suppose to listen to the chinese players just because they are angry?
why not just be angry that this country or that country isnt in china TT as subtrees then? since you being angry = you will have your way? almost like it doesnt work like this.

As much as you bunch arent happy if its going to thai, the thai players would feel unfair when THEIR own stuff isnt added just because the OHHH so superior chinese were angry lol. how would you feel that you suddenly lost the f16 or the mirage in china tree just because some people are OHH so angry about it?

The timing of the next patch coincides with China’s once-in-a-decade large V-J Day military parade; this is an extremely sensitive time, and introducing such a vehicle at this moment would be very inappropriate.

its like we have to repeat, they arent introducing it on the next update.

But even after clarification of introducing them another day would be inappropriate also.

so adding a vehicle that the country IRL used them is…inappropriate? how ? just cos a certain demographic is pissed and say so?

In fact, I believe some devs are aware of this sensitivity — there was a dev blog comment assuring that China-produced vehicles would not be placed in the Japanese tech tree.

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Also, the fact that the Japanese tech tree’s flag differs in the Korean and Chinese clients supports my conclusion. And of the acknowledge of sensitivity by the devs.

yes they already cater to your request, whats wrong with catering to a request of historical accuracy for the thais?

2.Chinese players are actually very satisfied with many marketing activities in China: recently we received the cute loong-girl body pillow, and on Chinese video sites like Bilibili there are many War Thunder recommendations from influencers with multi-millions of followers — it’s clear Gaijin has invested a lot in marketing in China.

cool, but lets not pretend china is like the center of everything, i get yall are called middle kingdom which kinda makes it sound like yall are the center of attention and the world, but chill man

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they already said it vt4 wont be in the next update