Quite impossible, lack of relations and there are a ongoing dispute between them and China
Because that’s not the point, “Japans WWII ambitions” are not grounds for any subtree. If they were Korea would be a subtree for Japan. But it isn’t and never will be, because Korean players don’t want that.
What matters most for subtrees is modern day player opinion from the affected nations, since those are the ones that will play it. If that isn’t there, there is no subtree.
Thai players supported the idea, that’s why it’s done.
Nobody does that, they only oppose the Chinese tree obtaining subtrees of nations where the players don’t support it. Singapore going to China wasn’t rejected because “people didn’t want China to have SEA vehicles”, but because Singaporean players were against it. Think of it as the China equivalent of Korea, they don’t want it so it’s not worth arguing for.
There is subtrees that China could receive that players from those nations actively support, such as Pakistan and Bangladesh, North Korea is another easy option in case a Korean tree doesn’t work out, and I’m sure there’s even more where I simply don’t know enough about their playerbases.
Those should be the first to consider for China, and I guarantee you it will be very rare to see anyone object to a “Pakistani subtree for China” announcement if it came out now.
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Really not surprise they opposed this😅
That is not make sense, everyone can say they are from Thailand or Korea, then easily approve or deny, we can’t prove their real location or nationality.
For Pakistani, that’s another issue, due to most of the vehicles they got from China, adding a Pakistani sub TT will be like totally C&P, and the same with Bangladesh and other main Chinese weapon export nations. This runs counter to the original intent of the subtree.
To be honest, this comparison is insane. If Koreans oppose it because of their painful past, I don’t understand why Singapore should have the same justification, especially given the suffering inflicted by Japan during WWII, I believe it is due to the terrifying media propaganda instead of real happenings, and that’s why we can just ingnore them.
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True, but they don’t offer nothing. I would be perfectly fine if the solution to this is simply allowing more subtrees for China to make up for it, as long as the poeple from those nations don’t object.
Then we also need to consider China, due to being a modern day superpower and incorporating two independently acting militaries already (PRC / ROC) already have more potential than Japan as is.
Is this potential used properly? Not at all.
But I fully approve of changing that, which is a large part of the demands brought up by Chinese players.
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I don’t think either of us should be arguing what we think Singaporeans should believe. Why they have their opinion is purely up to them and doesn’t give any less weight to it.
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If we follow that logic, everyone in the Chinese side of the forums cannot prove they are Chinese. Anyone can use a translator. What if this is a ploy to make the chinese players look bad by making it look like they are stirring drama?
It’s a two way road. Disregard those who claim to be Thai, then disregard those who claim to be chinese. Fair right? Unless…
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The problem is the same to this
Can we really trust them, or do they really represent whole players? I am sure that there must be tons of fake Singapore players. The only thing we can do is wait for Gaijin, I have heard that Gaijin has write a letter to Chinese players but it seems not work.
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I’m just talking through what I think is the issue, while having our nations exports used by a formerly hostile nation wouldn’t bother us, it is clearly upsetting a fair number of Chinese. I’m trying to understand their point of view and bouncing ideas of someone else helps with that. sorry if I came across as argumentative, that wasn’t my intention, I was just enjoying having a reasonable discussion to help my own understanding on the topic.
Indeed, once Chinese got their own powerful weapons, this argument should never have existed. The main issue for the Chinese is due to their own vehicles were limited by Gaijin, especially for the Toptier.and I’m so surprised that people waste time on arguing a 100% sh*t tank here, I just tried the Chinese toptier, it is pretty bad I must said, and due to this time when Gaijin wants to add VT4 to Japan, the past grievances, compounded by this incident, have ignited their anger.
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They announced to adress the Chinese complaints (poor representation of vehicles, poor treatment of their techtree and the Thai VT-4) later this month. What exactly they do is unknown and at this point likely even still undecided.
To get back on track somewhat, before this came to the same usual endless back and forth again I did try to start an attempt at finding a mutual solution.
With Gaijins response up in the air, both sides have a 50/50 chance that their demands are met or not. But if we work together and find a solution that can be agreed on, this is not an issue.
As long as all involved nations are considered fairly I’d encourage any input
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Well, there are tons of ways to identify if they are real or not, even I do speak Chinese, but I can’t be as real of them, only using AI can’t solve all the things, such as slang or some cultures, and I’m sure this is also happens in English
Going back against that thought? Sure. Then we can use this method to identify Thai and Singaporeans using local slang or local cultural references. However, that can still be looked up and faked.
Yeah, that should be good to filter out most of the fake players, but it wastes too much time. Using IP or some technical way to filter can also be concern. So that’s why such of way to say that which nations deny or approve doesn’t make sense
you did not do anything that would require an apology; issue simply is what you wrote would require at least partially political answer, and forum rules dont allow that (kinda funny when the whole thai VT-4 issue is historical/political but what can you do). Im simply trying to avoid getting a ban.
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That’s where the issue with that line of thought. Because the Chinese dissatisfaction against gaijin is real. Can you prove they are Chinese? Like you said, in theory, no.
Ignoring the demands because we can’t prove who they really are theoretically, might lead to Gaijin losing a large number of its playerbase. That outcome for gaijin is very much real.
Gaijin seems to believe they are Chinese players without themselves doing any additional confirmation of their identity, just like every other War Thunder player here. So what’s the benchmark? The number of players? There are complaints from so many, surely they are real, right?
They have. Europeans just aren’t as spiteful. Gaijin also doesn’t seem to take political disputes into account, which I hope means SK in the future. I agree with them that this kind of reasoning shouldn’t stop from vehicles or interesting nations being added.
Hey dude, do you want to see both Thai and Japanese players talk about how much we love and help each others?
I don’t know man, fact and logic cannot apply to these kind of players. You aren’t even Thai come on man I’m tired of this.
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Well since i’m not local but do i know Thailand is good allied with Japan how true is that i wonder?
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Of course, you can see Thailand is one of the top country that helped Japan in the past disaster and Japanese people also help us a lot as well in recent conflict and disaster. Furthermore we often share cultures, foods, and much more. You can find these details on the internet read comments etc.
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