? F15JM is “kinda outdated”
Bro you have not played japan , what do you know about their top tier. Yeah all you do is look at stats card and judge the vehicle. You don’t know about the nation and vehicle why bother yapping
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No, I play with them and against them. I doubt they suck so much because of the playerbase. It’s not Sweeden, but I do know a lot of decent players who started playing Japan only because they have Type 93 (AKA funny car go wrrr)
UPD: Though I can’t be so sure about air, because I haven’t been playing top tier Air RB recently (Phantom related issue)
But what you did was scratching the surface. TKX/Type 10 doesn’t simply have the best reload rate. What they make up for lack of armor is their mobility , that make it better than 4/8 nation in the game. Their air as of now is one of the best , if not the best behind the F15E. It is one of the best nation for a reason , sure there nothing left to added for the ground tree beside another subtree nation tank. But adding Vt4 and T84 doesn’t make any sense , even if the Thai have them. And the chinese player will not be happy if Vt4 in the jap tech tree for obvious reason
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Now I assure you: the vast majority of Chinese players would love to see VT4 enter the Japanese faction. Preferably in front of the 10 or TKX :)
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I wouldn’t say Japan is bad but for ground that is a reach.
Probably the more interesting side of a Thai sub tree with Alpha Jets, Gripens and modernised F-16s.
And following the thread theme of Asian rage baiting; KAI T-50.
Apples and Oranges
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Both are fruits…
An apple is not an orange. I get the comparison between China/ROC(Taiwan) but it’s not the same.
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VT4 has a 7.1 sec reload, huge lfp that will resulte in a one shot uppon hit, aps is kinda useless, in term of pros and cons vt4 is equal to the Type 10, type 10 is fast and has a good reload but 0 armor, vt4 has ok tier armor, good speed but awfull reload. Only good reason to add the VT4 would be to add diversity to the 12.0 lineup that is lacking, in term of performance pretty sure player would still prefer to play the type 10 rather than the VT4, 7.1 second reaload really doesn’t worth the armor tradoff.
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Adding VT-4, and u got yourself an all round worse tank, and Japanese players will take a while to get used to Soviet mobility lol. CAS wise, F15J(M) is doable, not insane but CAP + CAS at the same time, it’s pretty strong.
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Agree, every country should have their own VT4 before their top MBT to make their ground tech tree more sucks.
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Japan doesn’t need a VT4, despite Thailand owning units. But I would support the T-84 Oplot, it’s a good option for a non copy pasted vehicle which would add a lot either for the game with the armor innovations on the T-84 compared to the T-80 and for the tech tree eventually adding an extra 11.3 MBT.
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I really do want the T-84 Oplot-T. Good optics, good mobility, insane armor. I wonder if it has a spall liner, as I have only found one article that says it has one and it doesn’t list a source.
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Since when? Its only outstanding factor is the number of overtiered tanks it has.
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I’d definitely love to see the Oplot-T and Oplot-M added in the same update.
That a good question , a few overtier doesn’t mean the tech tree is bad. F15JM is excellent at Air-Air combat. TKX/Type 10 is one of the best top tier tank. If that all you can see then please, don’t speak to me
You are the narrowminded one here. What about CAS? What about a top tier SPAA that can shoot things past 5km? What about F&F ATGMs? What about a competitive helicopter?
Top tier is more than “good tank” and “good A2A plane”
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That another good question , I have been asking and seem like jap getting CAS soon but I do not agree with adding the T84/VT4
This is a universal problem for a lot of nation , I can’t do anything about it
That the general board for judging a TT. Most of japan plane/tank are solid , sure there are some overtier vehicle but there are also good vehicle as well. No TT is perfect and japan is not perfect but for a minor nation it is good enough. Not to mention it is better than major nation in some department. You can’t have everything , might as well enjoy the part where you are good
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Where would they go then? Japan is getting Thailand and Thailand used both. Did France need Leopard 2s? did Sweden need a T-80U or Leopard 2A6? Did Britain need a T-90S? Arguably Japan really needs the T-84 since the shoddy armor modeling on the Type 10 makes it weak to autocannons from the front while the T-84 would give a tank with heavy armor.
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I don’t see why bringing other nation in but sure , if you will. But my point is I disagree with the whole T84/VT4. I disagree , not that I am completely against it , cause if they get added at least they make some sense in gameplay and tech tree wise , I am just not really in with the whole thing and people saying japan TT is bad , which it is not.
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I disagree.
All indigenous Japanese tanks, which are about all those from about 6.7 - 12.0, force the player into a specific playstyle. One very unique to Japan, Especially once you arrive at the autoloader stages of Japanese ground (Or you really like the ST-A3.). Japanese tanks lack armor, but rampantly make up for it in firepower and maneuverability.
For example, the Type-10.
The Type-10 has great thermals, zoom, maneverability, reload speed, a great round, but next to no armor, along with this it’s kinda gimped (to my understanding) with the turret traverse and energy bleed when turning.
You play the Type-10 by sniping (Which you can do with basically any top tier tank), flanking, or baiting shots and using your superior reload.
The T-84 and VT-4 play the opposite. Although I have not used the VT-4, I assume It’s akin to the T-90M, seeing as they’re both based off the T-72 (IIRC). Which has a basis on sniping, and using its armor to soak up shots like a sponge. It’s main weakness is the reload speed and maneuverability. The exact inverse of the Type-10
I cannot say much about the T-84, but I assume it’s akin to the BVM. Which I’ve used extensively, and most of what I’ve said about the T-90M/VT-4 (in comparison to the Type-10) stands true.
Yes, you could add these to the ground tree, and yes, they would fill the armor checkbox for Japanese tanks. But by doing so you are adding tanks to a lineup which play in the exact opposite way of every other tank in the Japanese top tier lineup.
If these were added at top tier, you would have TKX, TKX(P), Type-10, T-84, VT-4, and some CAS.
Debatably, the best part of Japanese top tier is the TKX, Type-10, and Type-90 spam lineup, having an extensive amount of tanks which play the same, and do insanely well at that playstyle calls to some players. The Oplot and VT-4 would just be weird. Yes, they’re good choices, but it just doesn’t fit into alot of what Japanese players are used to.
Japan doesn’t direly need top tier tanks, The Type-10, TKX and Type-90 lineup is absurd.
I am not against adding the VT-4 and T-84, but I just don’t see a good reason to, other than to please Thai players.
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