thats why less longrange spots should be in everything should be mid to shortrange
long range worst type of combat cause its just who has better tank round and whos has better camping spot
like i said maps should have areas for all types of play style
Sorry, I somehow missed this, Information on the Sla 16 is kind of hard to come by. However, I think the most reliable source I have on the engine comes from Author Michael Fröhlich’s book Der andere Tiger: Der Panzerkampfwagen Porsche Typ 101 which goes over a pretty thorough development history of the engine. If you need any images of the pages from the book, I can post them privately if you want.
There’s also a British source on the engine linked here: The 16 cylinder air-cooled diesel engine of the Simmering Graz Pauker A.G. : Madle, Alain M., author : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
3rd source I have is a primary source mentions wanting to mount the Sla 16 into a Jagdtiger by August of I assume 1944. I got an image to the specific page of the document which mentions that, however I don’t have the original in full, but it’s from: https://www.panzer-elmito.org/. It has to be on there somewhere.
Image of the page
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if i remember correctly there was never the SLA fitted into a tiger 2. The premium is extremely fake.
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I’m aware, apparently the Soviets captured the Jagdtiger it was tested in. This information comes from a Soviet bulletin from 1945 however, it’s not available online or extremely hard to find so I don’t have access to it. It’s mentioned in Russian blogs, but the actual bulletin isn’t posted, usually only an image of the Jagdtiger that was Sla 16 was tested in.
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and due to it being soviet documents, it cant be trusted as a reliable source
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So this is gonna happen to panthers also? Or are they already at 600hp?
Does this mean we are gonna get new Tiger II’s that are “no governor” also? And Panthers that are “no governor” and “governor”?
Im kind of joking but also curious xD
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Yes, that would be lovely, thank you so much! If you’d be so kind, please do DM me the pages you think are relevant for a Jagdtiger Sla suggestion!
And thanks for this one too, I’ll take a look right away!
Let me know if you find it - otherwise the image will do just fine!
Truly priceless help mate, thank you.
Btw, Tank Archives has this additional photograph of the engine installed in the Jagdtiger.
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That article claims that:
According to some sources, the SLa.16 was scheduled to go into production in June of 1945. The engines would be produced at Steyr. This date is unlikely, as it was necessary to first carry out a full spectrum of trials in a Jagdtiger. The tank destroyer only ran for 5 hours before the war ended. Nibelungenwerk ended up in the Soviet occupation zone and in 1945 all equipment was dismantled and taken to the USSR. The Jagdtiger went to Kubinka. Its further fate is unknown.
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The VK and the D have ungoverned engines. The F, G and A have governed engines already, which is why they’re slower.
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engines that in many cases were not yet restricted by rpm governors the hl230 could reach its rated 3000 rpm which equated to around 700 horsepower but this placed heavy stress on the engine
in late 1943 a governor was introduced to cap rpm to roughly 2500 2600 reducing usable output to about 600 horsepower this was done to curb overheating and extend engine life by early 1944 the governed setup was standard across production panthers and tigers
as for the tiger ii its prototypes were completed in late 1943 but by the time series production began in 1944 the governor had already been implemented
this means that historically an early 1943 panther a or mid 1943 tiger i could plausibly be modeled as ungoverned while their later 1944 counterparts should be represented with the governed power settings
but panther f and G would always have governed engines because they are 1944 design, but we have hope unlike panther A and maybe tiger E because i don’t know when tiger E start its production but panther A is early 1943 introduction and also the Prototypes of the Tiger II in 1943 run with ungoverned engines before governor panthers rollout form the factory were factory limited
after searching this looks like a mid 1943 tiger 1 ausf e which could have the hl210 or an early hl230 and it plausibly ran without the rpm governor that was only introduced later in 1943 same goes for the panther A with the ungoverned engine with 700hp and top speed of 55km so why does no one report on this we should change these so we can actually have two tanks that feel authentic and they would actually be good again
You could bug report it, but I doubt it would work. If I remember correctly the Panther A we have in the game is a late war variant and therefore suggesting a Panther A Early would probably be more appropriate than a bug report. Such a Panther A could look a number of different ways depending on which vehicle exactly you’re representing, because changes like the domed cupola, mg ball mount etc were introduced gradually early on, and the first As used the D chassis with a slightly altered turret.
I think a Panther G Early could also get an ungoverned engine but it would lack the chin mantlet. Not sure though. NGL, keeping track of all the changes that occurred during Panther production does my head in. I don’t blame Gaijin for skipping straight to a late war configuration.
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Since long i already made such suggestion.
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Cool! Was it ever passed to the devs for consideration?
Nope. You can still vote and add comments.
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Done!
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Historically they tried.
The engines exploded.
And the transmissions destroyed
engines that in many cases were not yet restricted by rpm governors the hl230 could reach its rated 3000 rpm which equated to around 700 horsepower but this placed heavy stress on the engine
Correction, both the Maybach HL 210 and HL 230 were always fitted with a 2 stage centrifugal speed governor. 3000 RPM is also a governed speed for the engines, to corroborate this is the description and operation manual for the Tiger Ausf. H1/E chassis from March 1943, it gives a description of the speed governor:
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“To protect against exceeding the maximum speed, the motor Maybach HL 210 is fitted with a 2 speed governor, which the intake manifold and carburetor have built in throttle valves and, depending on the position of the gas chokes, activating and the controller is driven from the intermediate gear.”
The manual then goes into further detail on the Maybach HL 230’s earlier 2 speed governor:
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“The motor Maybach HL 230 is equipped with a speed governor, which performs the following functions:
1.) Limiting the maximum engine speed
2.) Activiating the 2nd stage of the governer if
a.) The motor is at least 1800 RPM
b.) While running at full load
3.) When the oil pressure drops, the (fuse?) is activated so that
a) the engine speed drops immediately
b) the engine continues to run at 1800 rpm, allowing the tank to be driven to the workshop.”
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“The centrifugal speed governor operates at 3000 rpm. (2nd stage) the throttle installed between the intake manifold and carbuertor spins independently of the position of the gas control chokes, and this prevents exceeding the maximum speed.”
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