These aircraft should be deleted from the USSR tree until they are fixed

SU7B and the BKL variant are unplayable in the current meta, you cant bomb since everything outruns you and you have no CMs + no airspawn, only way to play this is as a bad BnZ but without any flares (good luck!) This should be removed or revamped completely.

The MiG23M is in such a bad state atm that it should be removed and replaced with the 21BIS and then followed by the 23MLD. The radar does not work well which means that the RF missiles are useless, the IR missiles CAN work in extremely rare situations but they usually self destruct after launching unless you launch them from top down (good luck staying at 5km alt with 12 counter measures and a flight model that turns like a bus) when you have people tossing dogfight missiles at you.

Any thoughts?

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Isnt mig23m the lowest BR aircraft with look down shoot down capability and radar missiles?

(Provided gaijin ever decides to fix mig23s radar)

True or not, doesn’t really help. The SMT is 100x better than the 23M, I’d go as far to say that the R3R is a better missile than the R23R

eeeeeh, not sure. then again i only ever played 24R since 23R is only aviable to germany through event mig23 so im not going to comment further.

You still have ccip for the guns and rockets, not a bad 9.3 grb plane.

Mig23m sits at 10.3 in grb for cap, and 23t at least gives you some kind of medium range option besides r13, im pretty sure they are better anyways. Arent most people running 2 r13 4 r60m on planes like mig21bis?

R13 pretty much blows r60m out of the water rear aspect aside from super close range (and maybe even not there since its more flare resistant due to smaller fov), and 23t are even better.

the 23R / 23T just doesnt work in game, super situational, the only thing that works with the 23M is firing r60m head on at 1.0km

bring the Su-7B to 9.0??? it surely better

maybe just keep it at 9.3 and give it air spawn

You want a useless plane? The 9.0 Vautour bomber. Airfield spawn bad acceleration, fighters with bombs outrun you to bases. Oh and you’re also a brick without guns.

How about his brother the Su-9? the fighter version of it. there small rumors going on about it for next major update.

Doesn’t matter when a single piece of chaff deletes the missile…

The Su-7B is one of the best fighters at its BR.
Mig-23M can be played in BVR quite easily.

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Su-9 is a 7.3 early jet bruh, of course there had to be 2 of them called that

ye I know but i mean the other one

You want the Mig-23MLD. The Strongest 11.7 aircraft in the game and an Aircraft that should be 12.0. removed because you think its “bad”?

Sure, sounds good to me. I hate fighting those damn things

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Ehhh, First time, mate?
Please come to British Main, we have plenty of jets which need to be ‘removed’.
/s

Some soviet jets are worse than others, I agree with that point.
But claiming that ‘it should be removed because it is unplayable’ is wild.

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Removed? No.

You base your argument around air battles. These aircraft still work quite well in combined battles.

Welcome to what the buccaneers s2 had to deal with for the past 6 years.

My advice, deal with r because they arnt going to remove of fix 2 planes that they see have little to no value to them and won’t benefit from fixing them in any way shape or form

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the buccaneer was added 4.5 years ago