There are questions about ROC and PRC and even weapons and equipment

1. 陆军旗甚至1928年以后的民国旗要不要加入自定义?

Should the Army Flag or the Republic of China flag after 1928 be added to customizations?

当然可以,因为这也是中国历史的一部分,这是进入深水区必然要面对的。

Certainly, it could be added because it is part of Chinese history. This is a topic we inevitably have to face when entering the deep waters of historical representation in games.

2. 其他国家购买的外贸武器装备是否应该从丰富游戏的角度去添加?

Should foreign weapons purchased by other countries be added to the game for the sake of enriching gameplay?

当然也可以,购买外贸武器是对他国武器的信任和政治外交的一环,至于玩家对车进行装饰行为冒犯甚至有侮辱他国民族历史伤痛甚至引发对立是那位玩家应该受到应有的制裁,对谁都一样;同样的,你对他国的因游戏改动引发的国内政治矛盾发言相左你的政府对他国方针和主张的话也没什么必要说出来了,毕竟你的政府有权代表你对这个国家的方针和主张作出支持与反对;除非你能联合你志同道合的人对政府上谏并且修改现有的方针和主张。

This is also a possibility. Purchasing foreign weapons reflects trust and political diplomacy with other countries. As for players who use these vehicles for decorative purposes in ways that may offend or insult the national history of another country, or potentially provoke conflict—those players should face appropriate sanctions. This applies to everyone. Similarly, if you disagree with a foreign country’s political stance and express your views in a game, there is no need to voice those opinions in-game, since your government already represents your stance on international issues. Unless you can gather like-minded individuals to appeal to the government and change its policies, the matter is essentially settled.

3. 既然《War Thunder》作为一款游戏并且在1.91版本“夜视”推出后就已经有过一次是ROC还是PRC的旗帜的争议,而gaijin的做法是ROC载具则是换成陆军旗,在外面科技树的旗帜则是PRC;那么在当时决定之后没有太大的意见或者说提出意见但并没有太多人重视甚至是让gaijin注意到的话就没什么好说的了,依现实情况和合理情况来说在台的中华民国政府1971年自行退出联合国,而中华人民共和国政府在联合国1971年第2758号决议投票后恢复联合国合法席位,从那一刻起中华人民共和国政府在联合国继承了的中国的席位,所以从国际政治上来说中华人民共和国政府是China没有任何问题,那么中华民国政府为什么也是China?因为中华民国宪法就是一部中国在中华民国时期起草的宪法,那中华民国政府自然是中国宪法,除非你修改;所以你在现在看到中华人民共和国政府说对台湾拥有主权并不能因为你说它从未对台湾进行有效管理这一点去反驳,而中华民国政府也宣称对大陆及其外蒙地区说拥有其主权也不存在任何问题,在这一点两个政府的宪法存在的冲突点在于对中国的名词所在位是谁而不是两边的领土,而对于各位玩家而言应该说对于两岸玩家而言,你除非是1947年以前在台湾出生的,不然你的国籍还是ROC的中国国籍,这里应该也没有清朝老兵吧。

**When War Thunder released the “Night Vision” update in version 1.91, there was controversy regarding whether to use the ROC or PRC flag. Gaijin’s solution was to use the ROC flag for ROC vehicles and the PRC flag for vehicles outside the tech tree. After that decision, there was little disagreement, or at least not much that caught the attention of the developers.

Looking at the historical situation: in 1971, the ROC government withdrew from the United Nations, and the PRC government regained China’s seat at the UN following Resolution 2758. From that moment on, the PRC government assumed the legitimate seat of China in the UN. Therefore, from an international political standpoint, the PRC is unquestionably the “China.” But why do the ROC government also claim to be China? Because the ROC Constitution is a version of the Chinese constitution drafted during the Republic era. Thus, the ROC government naturally claims to represent China unless it is modified.

The claim that the PRC government holds sovereignty over Taiwan cannot be refuted by arguing that Taiwan was never under its effective control. Similarly, the ROC government claims sovereignty over mainland China and Outer Mongolia without any issue. The conflict between these two governments’ constitutions lies in their competing definitions of “China,” not in territorial disputes.

For most players, especially those from Taiwan, unless you were born in Taiwan before 1947, your nationality is still the ROC Chinese nationality. It’s worth noting that there likely aren’t many Qing dynasty veterans around anymore.**

4. 如果说你真的非常在意这件事,不管是哪一边的立场,你的做法应该是在论坛发表你的意见并且广而告之让人们支持你使得能让管理员看见并且做出回答,在此发表意见下面的留言存在着观点交锋是必然的情况,应该鼓励交锋同时拿出历史证据来稳定甚至加固自己观点;而无论是在防火墙内还是在防火墙外的,你只选择在舒适区去发表观点但是却并不打算实际的在论坛进行发表意见或者支持其一观点让管理员作出回答,我只能说这就像你生活在德谟克拉西制度的社会,你不管发声大小,支持多少,你起码参与了这个程序,但是你不去发声,不寻找支持你观点的人,你都放弃发表意见了还有什么好说的?载具方面游戏强国捂嘴我认了每个版本哪个强势我玩哪个,这个旗子的事情也能做到被捂嘴我只能说言论过于极端或者人身攻击了

**If you are really concerned about this issue, regardless of your position, your approach should be to express your opinion on forums and garner support to make sure the administrators take notice and respond.

Debates and opposing viewpoints are inevitable in this process, but you should encourage these discussions and provide historical evidence to support your position. Whether you are inside or outside of the Great Firewall, if you only express your opinions within your comfort zone without trying to actually engage in the forums or rally support for your viewpoint, then what’s the point of discussing it? If you aren’t contributing to the dialogue and finding allies to push your views, then you’ve given up on the process, and there’s nothing more to say.

Regarding vehicle performance in-game, I accept that “strong countries” or “strong versions” will dominate the meta, and I will play those vehicles. The same goes for this flag issue; if the decision is made to censor or restrict it, I can only say that extreme language or personal attacks in forums are the real problem.**

5. 讲一个小故事好了;文革结束改革开房后,老教授出外地去出公差用介绍信坐的卧铺 但是俩农民出身的商人也花钱坐卧铺,俩商人在午饭期间拿出了家常菜在车厢吃引起老教授不满,之后老教授找列车员投诉说“为什么连农民都能做软卧,这是他们能坐的吗,他们什么身份坐的,有介绍信吗?”列车员回答:“现在软卧只要花费相对应的车票价格就能做”;老教授得知后崩溃不已并开始大声诉说:“这是他们能坐的吗,他们什么身份坐的,有介绍信吗?怎么能让卧铺花钱就能坐呢,这不是坏了规矩吗,唉怎么现在变成这个样子了。”

**A small story:

After the Cultural Revolution and the beginning of the reforms, an old professor was traveling for work and had to take a sleeper train. However, two businessmen from rural backgrounds also bought sleeper tickets. During lunch, they took out their homemade dishes, which displeased the professor. He then complained to the train conductor, saying, “How can farmers like them sit in soft sleepers? Do they have the proper introduction letters? How can they afford this?” The conductor responded, “Now anyone can sit in soft sleepers as long as they pay the corresponding fare.”

The professor was horrified upon hearing this and began loudly complaining, “How can they sit here? What are their identities? How can they just pay and sit in soft sleepers? This is ruining the rules, how did things become like this?”**

我们把列车员带入论坛管理,剩下的老教授和商人可以带入很多的人,可以是认同中国的玩家 也可以是不认同中国的玩家,但很重要一点就是,都是游戏玩家,他不应该存在高低贵贱,至少这件事上你不能把心中的刻板印象和自带的偏见在论坛上作为你不认同或者认同应该把ROC旗放入自定义这件事情上,而更加重要的一点是,你无法说服对方认同你的观点也不应该这么做,你应该做的事情是找出你的证据和资料去税负论坛管理并且交给制作组,该说服的是他们不是你的对立面。

Now, if we bring the conductor into the analogy of forum moderators, the professor and the businessmen represent the various players—whether they support or oppose China’s position. The important thing is that all of them are game players, and there should not be any notion of “higher” or “lower” status in the forums. Specifically, when discussing whether the ROC flag should be added to the customization options, it’s important not to let personal biases or stereotypes affect the discussion. What matters more is that you cannot force others to agree with your point of view. You should instead present your evidence and arguments to the forum moderators or developers. They are the ones who can make the decision, not your opponents.

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Give Pakistani VT-4 to the UK and give Thai VT-4 to Japan

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Of course you can discuss it or even express your opinions. As long as you can find enough people to vote in favor and more than those who disagree, the production team will consider it.

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What?

Please use existing topics to discuss in game flags:
Custom flags functionality - #580

Additionally, please use English only in the English section of the forum and avoid politics.