The top tier Leopard 2 problem, attrition and time to kill

Okay? Much better than having your turret crew get nuked via the breech because Gaijin can’t think critically and properly model armour modules on basically anything western.

Hindsight is 20/20:

  • much better hull armour than basically everything in the game atm (duh, Leopard 2s are nerfed in that regard)
  • can’t be killed via turret shots
  • can’t be ammoracked via turret shots
  • very good side armour
  • crew is sitting inside an insolated capsule so maybe even direct ammo hits won’t do anything
  • actually a proper reverse
  • much better gun-handling (like 60/60)
  • hard kill APS that can counter APFSDS & ATGMs alike

Downsides?

  • gun depression
  • maybe reload (will prolly have 5s cus Gaijin)

People asking for T-14 are huffing copium as a full time job.

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Afganit and Arena APS have been in development for like …30 years? And still not in service. I doubt Gaijin will add the ability to intercept APFSDS.

Leopard 2 armor is nerfed for the sake of balance (looking at France, Britain and China garbage APFSDS shells), once those nations get better firepower it will be fixed.

Also SWEDISH BIAS :^].

Agree. But we could see prototypes from the 80s-90s (Leclercs T140, CATTB, Obj 477/195) instead.

if those are nerfed what are then the challys leclercs etc ? ^^

nah i still have flashbacks from 2s38 breach
being tiny because “reasons” or smt

and this has nothing to do with what i said…
leopard 2a5/6/7 & strv gun breach are made to nuke the entire crew
ru ones usually eat the entire dart.
so they can make a run for it with smokes and ess? the engine smoke thing

I really wish it was as easy to hit or as consistent as you claim, but it’s not.

In any case short of spending dozens of hours to graph out the time to kill for every top tier tank I can’t really provide any hard evidence for my case. In my experience the top tier Leopards are the most consistently tanky top tier tanks, both when I play them and play against them. If you haven’t experienced that, then I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree

From my exp Leos are tending more to eat dart with their breach. So it is just subjective thing.

Use thermals for that?

This is true for me too but it’s much more easy to kill a leo hitting under the breach every time i do it the crew inside gets to meet the sun in person for 0.05 seconds

For me it 50/50. The other day i had literally several battles in a row, when round just vanished there.

idk how yall get so unlucky hitting leopards they honestly are not hard to kill, i’ve only gotten no spall like 2 times hitting the lower breach

Well, Leos are just the least consistent MBTs in terms of pen (specially swedish ones). LFP, breech and lower breech, turrent ring… The only thing, that always makes Leo 100% dead - shooting idler-wheel

its more like specially propense to volumetrics i guess

Sounds like you might want to take your own advice lmao.

just saying you can use ess then pope a smoke or 2 and you are still blind even with thermals…

Lol suffer due the lack of skills because that all i see during the times give. them more advanced toy it only way to help them i guess. Sure they can have T-14 and well cry again when KF51 show up

SO it blind by smoke nades, not ess then.

you throw a few smokes turn around pop ess smoke again and drive away
idk what’s so hard to understand about that

Idk, the only ones who always cryin are GERUS mains. “OP this, OP that, gib Leo2a1234, F-48, Orbital laser”.

Whats the point? You just can pop smokes and thats all. Also, lol, turn around in soviet tank (Laugh in my 4s JP reload)

Muh i don’t seem to care about since i enjoy killing everyone with Strv122 and Gripen especially when see Russian main crying Sweden OP it music to my ears

Maybe it is music, but Sweden is actually quite powerful (considering if its true that 2A7V armor is poorly made), so they are quite right shrugs.

They pretty much just like Russia shoot weak spot like LFP and it die but for some reason people like to shoot it UFP and look surprise when it not pen.