The T20 does not deserve a 6.0 BR

T20 was 5.7 when I first bought it.

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Then you pretty much had the very best 5.7 for the longest time.

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T20 isn’t panther

Thank god 😂

Thanks god i left werhaboo paradise BR range

That would be the KV-220.

Although Jumbo at 4.7 and T-14 at 4.3 were good times.

And don’t forget that the Panther has barely more post pen damage than sone solidshot.
While the 76mm will just annihilate te enemy most f the time.
Also, as you correctly stated, pen does not matter. The Conqueror has more pen, than the Leo 2A4, yet it is 3 BR lower, for a good reason.
The Ikv103 also has 400mm HEAT-FS at 4.0, yet it is trash.

Comparing it to BR-367 is stupid. No sane person will use that round, if the BR-365 can be used.

It has bad turret armor, no reverse gear and horrible turret traverse speed, with a shell that does very little damage.
Another thing is just the germany mains, that saw in the History Channel, that the Tiger was never frontally penetrated, and that german ywould have won if the made more Pathers, so they download the game, rush to the Tigers, and Panthers, and then go on the forum crying about “russian bias”.

Pen matters, but obviously it’s not the only thing that matters. The Conqueror has way worse mobility, reload, damage compared to other tanks at this BR rating. The IKV103 is similarly “unbalanced”.

Besides that, the Conqueror doesn’t even really have more pen than the Leopard 2A4, not in any usable form at least. L1G has better penetration than DM23 flatter than 39° when point blank, after which DM23 has the advantage, and L1G loses far more penetration with distance, so that flat penetration advantage dimishes with range.

Beyond that APDS is just an inferior round type compared to APFSDS.

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Yeah, that is my point.

Well, yeah but the KV-220 is special because it’s an OP event reward that will always stuck at a BR where it’s way better than the rest.

Before Gaijin gives it a proper BR, humans will colonize mars.

Agree. Stopped playing it when it moved to 6.0

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Whelp, now it’s at 6.3, and at the same BR as the Jumbo 76mm. RIP

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Ah yes, it had a torque converter instead of a clutch! Such a large difference…

Do you understand what an automatic transmission is?

No, vehicles in War thunder with electric drives normally have double the gears due to the output.

The T-90M has a torque converter. Where does that put its gears?

Oh, right, nowhere. A torque converter is nothing but an automatic clutch, and uses liquid instead of a mechanical coupling.

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Sponston released a version that summarized it pretty well. T20 is a 6.3 slightly faster Sherman with worse armor.

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T20 is a 6.3 slightly faster Sherman with worse armor.

T23 Medium Tank at 6.7 BR when?

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Is it better than the tiger E?

And in which world does the T20 have worse armor?

How about a better summarization:
The T20 is a slightly faster, smaller profile Sherman with much better reverse gear, fixing one of the main disadvantages of the M4A3.

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I hope it’s the T23 with torsion bar suspension. At least it would be a little different visually.

Finally not silenced from the forums, I can respond to this.

Funny, do you? The 900-T Torqmatic (M26, M18, T20 uses an early version) and the Cross Drive (M41, M46, M47, M48, M60) all have torque converters, neither are automatic. They are semi-auto at most.

Oh and, by the way, all of the tanks that have these two transmissions in game have more gears than in real life.

On one hand, I want to point out that the T20 now has 6 forward gears and 2 reverse gears after Gaijin agreed with my bug report. So you’re very clearly wrong.

On the other, I want to point out pure electric drives such as the ones on the T1E1 and Porsche Tigers dont even have gearboxes so there is no number of gears to double. So you’re very clearly wrong.

And on my third, secret hand, I want to point out a QnA that Gaijin did where they specifically state how an increased number of gears is used to simulate a torque converter in the vehicles that have it. So you’re very clearly wrong.

QnA information

I am immensely curious on your source for that. Because everything I personally found says it uses a automatic mechanical transmission, no torque converter, 7 gears forward, 1 reverse.

Or did you assume that because Wikipedia says it is an automatic it must have a torque converter…?

Do you understand what an automatic transmission is?

One of the main principles of torque converters is that they multiply output torque when output RPM of the torque converter is noticeably less than the input RPM, effectively providing a variable reduction gear. This is exactly the effect that Gaijin “simulates” by having extra gears in the vehicle.

What you’ve described is a simple fluid coupling. Not a torque converter.

Ironically one of the first automatic transmissions in the world, the Hydramatic which is on the M5 Stuart and M24 Chaffee, uses a simple fluid coupling, no torque converter.

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The problem I have with later T23s is that they are heavier, which would decrease any mobility advantage they have, specially given the atrocious transmission the T25 has which would likely be copied to the T23.

Besides, the T23 always has the turret difference over the T20.