I would love to see this in game, especially since the 4.0 to 7.7 gap of no anti-air vehicles in ground RB can be quite challenging far air defense (the largest gap in the entire game). However, I think that this should be at a lower BR than 7.7, seeing as there already is a 7.7 SPAAG, and thus I believe that the 50s version without the radar should be put somewhere in the middle, such as 6.3-6.7 to allow players the opportunity to play SPAAGs without using a 4.0 vehicle. However, by making it without radar it would not be so over powered as putting in a vehicle with radar at such a battle rating.
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+1 Sit in the cap point and just let rip.
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m163 has been used without radar equipped in real life (xm163 cs) and the radar could be removed from it and it could be moved down in br (6.3-7.0?) to make space for this at 7.7-8.0.
Additionally this would make the m163 play slightly differently from the israeli hovet = less direct copypaste experience beetween the trees.
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Now that we have ammo boxes I think this could be added. It would be the Semovente 90/53 of SPAAs, sure, but a very interesting addition nontheless. At least make it folded with the M163, though, since it would be a very bad vehicle for the average player.
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Remember when the xm800 first came out and it was a better 7.7 spas than the m163? Fun times
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M163 without radar does not belong anywhere below 7.0 lol, even 7.3 right now is too low.
9.7
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Just to confirm are you suggesting:
- The one with radar
- The one without radar
- The DAVAD version
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I’m about to make your day a whole lot better :)
General stuff
Crew - 2 (“With the magazine loaded, only the vehicle driver and the weapon system operator may be accommodated during travel. An auxiliary vehicle is provided to carry the three additional crew members, the ammunition, and the supplies.”)
Weight (completely loaded without armor) - 25,369 lb
Height (to top of antenna) - 133 in.
Height (prepared for shipment) - 86 in.
Length - 192 in.
Width - 103 in.
Speed (maximum) - 33 mph
Shallow fording (without kit) - 42 in.
Deep fording (with kit) - No limit
Mount azimuth coverage (mils) - 6400
Gun elevation angle (mils) - -90/+1510
Mount azimuth angular velocity - 0 to 2040 mils/sec
Gun elevation angular velocity - 0 to 2040 mils/sec
Radar
Wavelength - approx. 10.5 cm
Frequency:
Prototypes - 2700-2900 mc
Production - 2400-2800 mc
Pulse width:
Search and acquisition - 15 usec
Track - 0.75 usec
Pulse repetition rate - 6667 pps
Maximum range:
Search - 15,750 meters
Track - 10,000 meters
Altitude - 3000 meters
Minimum range:
Search - 2250 meters
Track - 300 meters
Range accuracy:
Coarse - 2250 meters
Fine - 17 meters
Maximum range (target present position) - 10,000 meters
Day periscope (no night vision)
Periscope magnification/fov - 2.5x/23°
Periscope elevation coverage - -10°/+90°
Ammunition
Average muzzle velocity - 3000 fps
Length of complete cartridge - 15.6 in. (max)
Weight of complete cartridge - 3.25 lb
Length of projectile - 7.96 in. (max)
Projectile as-fired weight - 1.6 lb
Length of cartridge case - 8.6 in. (max)
Weight of propelling charge - 8 oz (approx)
Bourrelet diameter of shell - 1.156 in. (max)
Overall length of T231E4 fuze - 3.095 in.
Diameter of T231E4 fuze - 0.950 in. (max)
Overall length of T300 fuze - 1.125 in.
Diameter of T300 fuze - 1.344 in. (max)
Outside diameter of rotating band - 1.507 in. (max)
Outside diameter of cartridge case (base) - 2.158 in (max)
Other
Magazine capacity:
Normal (3 bursts) - 144 rds
Maximum (4 bursts) - 192 rd
Single burst - 48 rd
Rate of fire:
High - 3000 rd per min
Low - 120 rd per min
Effective range - 4100 meters
Recoil distance (maximum) - 1 in.
Counterrecoil distance (maximum) - 0.3 in.
This includes most WarThunder-related information. This document also contains detailed 3D drawings of the internal space and equipment.
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omg classified dokuments!!!
What’s the maximum upwards search angle? Is it outright stated anywhere?
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Check the top of the picture :) (idk if you are joking or not hehe)
Couldn’t find it in the general details section, will check again tomorrow. I wonder if that 3km altitude is 15km away, or if it’s just some random limit. I actually don’t know how it works.
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With radar M163 is fine at 7.3, without radar it could easily go to 6.7. It wouldn’t be nearly as good as the Kugelblitz, but beggars can’t be choosers.
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Radar is pretty much useless, isn’t that what M163 players like to claim? It is now the same BR as the radarless Shilka, and both are too low.
I don’t see why it would go down when all it loses is a radar that doesn’t work, unless of course M163 players are lying and are just trying to get their 3000rpm SPAA to be lower than a 450rpm one that has worse gun handling.
It’s not useless, its simply the worst in the game. That, the lack of a search radar, the lack of anti-tank capability, and a dissapointing gun is why its at 7.3.
And here’s he comes with the American bias conspiracy theories.
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+1
Fantastic event 8.0 vehicle o7
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Gaijin added ammo boxes to the game, so heck yeah, dakkadakkadakka, this vehicle is no longer too silly.
It has proximity fuse HE?
Nope
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Id like to see this foldered with the M163 at either 7.7 or 8.0