But then for the SepV3 there’s no number to work with, just supposed heavier hull (as i understand it, nothing specific enough to be guesstimated) and “improved”?
FYI i’m not here trying to deny effort or saying the SepV3 does or doesn’t have something, just curiousity
As much as he wants to give you encouragement, he’s not assigned to review the bug report. Unless he has the power to accept your later refined efforts, I’d remain skeptical to the end.
I join Ole’s saying and still thank you in advance for your investment in the matter, making efforts for an ungrateful platform is not a way that I’d invest my weekend in.
I don’t think you’ll never get enough people together again for another succesful review bomb. Hence the 894578934 failed review bombs over the last couple years.
Theres not any accurate numbers to work with on the majority of modern tanks neither. The LFP is literally physically larger. The “numbers” you are referring to is pretty much always estimates, which can be done on the sepv3 too. How did Gaijin get the numbers for the upgraded turret cheeks then, if it is so hard to get it for the LFP? Obviously an estimate.
The bug report manager said “All the extra weight went into the turret.” How does he know? Does he have classified information? Obviously just an awful madeup excuse to not implement it when they’ve already made up their minds on whether it is going to get it or not.
Asking a precise number is asking for classified information, simple as.
And that also goes for most of modern MBTs, by the way. Secrecy is part of defense itself, and that goes beyond the videogame with the silly premise of forum debates and sekrit dokuments.
If we have numbers for the increase in weight to the turret and hull then you could quite easily do RHA or DU density and volume calculations to get a rough estimate. I understand this is very rough, but I think the game needs to face reality and move toward something like this when analyzing tank armor. If it doesn’t, we’re going to end up with a 2A8 that’s essentially a 2A7 and a T-14 that is made of cardboard. We have to forgo the idea of exact proof.
There is 3 possible scenarios with all this
(Why 150mm? Because thats the least and best compromise if they don’t want to even guesstimate, which is really the only possibility with anything more modern than 2000s armor)
Except they specifically deny classified information, so they aren’t exactly asking for it.
But do we know exactly how much went into the hull and where?
No we don’t, and we can’t and won’t know for another 50 years. Thats exactly my point. I can’t understand why gaijin wants to die on this hill either. It simply wouldn’t be satisfying (or encourage people to buy premium) to grind out for a new top tier tank that isn’t a meaningful improvement over its predecessor. It is in their best interest to (as accurately as possible) make these vehicles good.
If they can’t accept thorough guesstimations—like the ones on the bug report—, then they’re asking for classified information, there’s no magical in-between as vehicles protection layouts are classified, and you can only take a series of wild guesses based on technical improvements stated by the manufacturer.
So instead of making a report, wouldn’t it be better to ask for Gaijin to change their policy on modern tanks and armour or advocate for that, rather than trying to prove something that is purposefully unproveable?
They should just not add vehicles that we can’t get proper Info about, they are indirectly fueling another document leak
They literally stated that for post-war vehicles guessestimations are accepted XD see the problem?
Godpeed.
Yes it would be, however I’m sorry but I don’t have the energy to do that.
Gaijin has stated themselves that they base modern tank protection levels on estimates, not on actual classified specifications. These are just hilarious double standards
If Gaijin can’t be convinced to change their mind on bug reports on vehicles, how would convincing them to change their policies go??? They can’t even consistently stay true to their current policy let alone a new one.
Is this the guesstimation in question then? I don’t recall any of it* stating the LFP specifically, just “Hull Front” so that could be the LFP, UFP or the front sides?
*the sources
or even mine protection
I’m sorry where exactly do you seeing them adding 1200kg of weight other than the LFP?