The "Silent Killer" Missile - MBDA MICA - Performance and Discussion Thread (WIP)

The MICA is situational, only ever able to really be effective at the later mid to end stages of the game. Essentially just mopping up whoever is left, sure it’s good at that but they’re essentially pointless in the first half of the game.

Every ARH should have trade offs but that doesn’t mean that they should be useless at any stage, just less competitive. The MICA missing 37.5% of its range and being extraordinarily draggy and slow past 15km makes it pretty useless.

Saying “it’s too strong it shouldn’t have been added” is beyond stupid, especially when people take their airframes out of their element (I.E F-15E players dogfighting Rafales) and cry about how they’re not undefeatable in every aspect.

Every ARH is the best or extremely competitive to the best in a singular aspect. Complaining about it being good at what it is designed to be good it is dumb. So the same thing cannot be said about those trying to fix the MICA.

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Which only exists because the average ARB player is too stupid to be playing in tiers with ARH missiles.

Not sure how that’s relevant to people saying the MICA shouldn’t have been added but go off

Because you moan like it’s unuseable! When it very clearly is not!

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For the first part, i don’t see your point, war thunder aims to be realistic, as far as i know other aircraft have their fox 3 missile mostly properly implemented in the game and well if you go for such argument playing properly an early tank with apfsds against top tier mbt is totally fine.

And for your second point, nobody claims mica is the best, we just want it fixed period.

And instead of claiming that it is a good missile you should watch how this missile succeed to miss bot in test drive even if perfectly fired for example as it can overcorrect too much.

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No fox-3 is correct in-game, even the -120 that every loves to bitch about somehow being “OP”.

I’ve had no such issues with it in my own usage. My problem is not with the missile. It’s with the people pretending its somehow abysmal junk when that couldn’t be further from the truth.

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No? I stated it was very usable and sometimes the best for certain scenarios. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

Again not relevant to people saying it should be removed, unless you’re one of them.

As far as i know the big problem with fox 3 are the seeker.

Don’t get me wrong with the better airframe that is the rafale it is way more useable and i have a way better time with the mica, that does not mean it is not lacking and by a lot with problems that can be really irritating with abnormal restrictions that forced you to be defensive all the time especially when playing the mirage, it can be great but the way it is in the game currently is not well put together.

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Interesting bit of article from Air & Cosmos, interview of chief of staff for programs & development in the french navy :

The article itself is a bit off topic (Stealth ‘frigates’ Courbet-class renovation and replacement) but there is one interesting thing :

Yellow part translates as : “VL MICA is more adapted on a middle sized corvette, especially when we consider that by the time they [replacement of Courbet-class frigates] come into active service, it [VL Mica] will most likely have an anti-ship capability”

Seems like they plan to make the MICA an anti-“ship” missile (and i put ship in quotes : the warhead size would only allow the targetting of small sized crafts, a bit like what the mistral could do on some ground vehicles)

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How’s that?
Back it up please.

Their seekers are the exact same, if you can notch an AIM-120 than you should have no issue notching a MICA.

I’m not asking you about your feeling, but numbers and proofs.

They are literally the exact same, I forgot where the data sheet was but if I find it I’ll get back to you. In the mean time look at in game stats, all ARH seekers except for AIM-54 and F-90 are the same.

EDIT: found it:

Then by this Sheet, your saying is wrong:

PID parameters of SD-10A and MICA-EM are different, and many others does too.

PID correctors are a seeking function that refine the values in order to get the best guidance.

Since those values are different - Seekers are different too.

That is being incredibly pedantic to prove absolutely nothing. You’re right I guess, lucky you.

You can see it the way you like,… fact are numbers and numbers shows that seekers are differents.

Yet, i don’t necessarly agree on the MICA-EM seeker > AIM-120 ones,…

because flightmodels are wrongly modelized on MICA-EM too,… which forces players to uses them into short range capability of the missile.

The problem then is the way MICA-EM is wrongly modelized, and not the seeker itself.

If you wanna get pedantic about it, it is your choice, not mine.
I remainned neutral on the whole discussion, only asked you to back up claims.

They are functionally the same.

Happy now??

Notching an AIM-120 will be extraordinary similar to notching a MICA.

Look at you saving the world from my dastardly disinformation.

Ignore how all Doppler settings are the exact same, which is literally what determines notching.

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you’re the one misspreadingly things,…
and yet you’re the one gettting angry about being pointed out your own mistakes?

bro,… if only people could be less emotionnally unstable and more inclined to read facts, this forum’s moderators would have far less troubles to solve,…

the problem is not that i pointed you out,… but what you think it means, is the actual problem.
can’t have people being factually right, without creating a E-WorldWar 9999121368541265613181320165 (or am i already out of 2 billion?)

you feel attack, and your Ego told you to attack me back,… you’re acting childlishly when told that you’re basically not entirely right.

if you wanna keep a war, then do it,… but frankly i was you making such reactive post many times and you might learn to calm down sometimes.

Dude what? Is English not your native language because I feel there may be a misinterpretation of what I said here.

I said they’re the exact same, you said they were not and I accepted this but also said it is needlessly pedantic as it has 0 functional effect. You doubled down and I reiterated how it has zero functional effect. You now reply with a rant about how I need to be less emotional? That makes no sense. I did not insult you in any way.

I promise you if you test notching every single ARH in the exact same conditions they will all do the exact same thing.

PID isn’t a seeker thing though, it’s guidance laws only.

The only difference between MICA and 120 is the fact that it accelerates faster, which affects the notch sector slightly, but even that isn’t specific to the seeker, it’s just a result of a harder acceleration on MICA, instead of longer acceleration like AMRAAM

If we want to be pedantic, @SidewaysCube946 is right, both seekers on AMRAAM and MICA are strictly the same in game

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