Can you put a link here for either the forums post or 1st hand documents on it?
Yeah-
Thats for HE-VT and APDS
And this for HEAT
Thanks. I could only look up info about it briefly. Thanks for the links
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Here we go, another SAV wave again.
For 1300 GE you too can be part of the problem and ruin the game for everyone as Gaijin continues to refuse to properly balance this vehicle as they’re still raking in money from it.
Thats because the SAV is atm just… not really balanceable. Its not a HE slinger, and its APHE doesnt have nearly enough pen for higher BRs, and it has no armor to speak of. HEAT/APDS would solve this, and let it be actually moved up.
To me its honestly just… there. I personally love it, even in AB (Where it is definitely less good, you have to be far more careful), but with its current ammunition choices make it an issue.
How is it not balanceable? 100mm of pen, 900g of TNT on a 1.2s reload on a fast platform at 3.7…
That’s the same pen as a Sherman at 4.0 with 104mm of pen with 70g of TNT on a 6.5s reload on a slow platform.
And then there’s the HE that can overpressure.
That’s the same pen the Jumbo gets at 5.7 but 2 BRs lower and 5x faster reload.
Especially at a BR where it can completely destroy teams of new players, which once again ruins the game for many people as long as there is money to be made.
Complete lack of armor for one- the jumbo has very good armor/survivability. The issue with the SAV is it has neither the armor nor the pen for most people to handle it that high.
Toss HEAT/APDS on it, however, and its perfect. If it has the 380?mm the suggestion said it would it can probably be placed up around 7.0 (?)
Definitely more balanceable then the current one.
If the Jumbo can manage at 5.7 with the same pen and 6.5s reload the SAV should have no problem with a 1.2 autoloader on a fast chassis against Panzer IVs or whatever, survivability isn’t really relevant as most things die in one shot.
It can easily be 4.7 and it should be.
Oh gawd here we go again… last time they were like cockroaches.
Should be?
Ehhhh…
Like I said, complete lack of armor hurts it. Speaking only from AB, this thing would not survive a minute at 4.7, especially if it got uptiered.
RB I dunno, to be honest. I would rather give it a high pen APDS/HEAT round and move it up to 7.0/6.7, would pair well with the Bkan and give us two godly SPAA since it also gets a HE-VT round.
AB is a different story due to the inability to really utilize it’s speed… in RB however where everyone is driving sluggish WW2 tanks you can easily get halfway across the map and decimate multiple vehicles before they can even respond with a 1.2s reload.
The same pen as a Jumbo with faster reload speed and high mobility but minus the armor, so it’s a side-grade type vehicle.
Complete lack of armor means it makes zero difference if it’s at BR 2 or BR 10 in terms of survivability.
Unironically not a high bar tbf…
Also lack of turret. Honestly I would just bump it to 4.0 (Along with the swedish sherman), and wait and see- then bump it it 7.0 if it gets its proper toys.
Turret isn’t really that important when you have an agile chassis, and the Jumbo is not a high bar in terms of pen, but complaining about having the same pen 2 full BRs lower as not being good enough is a bit much.
Not true, but the chassis does help somewhat.
Tbf it is one of the lowest bars you can have lol
Sacrifices everything for armor, lacks heavily on firepower. Best option anyways is giving it HEAT, APDS, and HE-VT and moving it to 7.0/7.3/whatever
1.2s reload is going to be a menace anywhere, without APDS it should still sit at 4.3 at the lowest and realistically at 4.7 without the premium bias.
Eh, id say 4.0 but whatever
AB it should definitely only go up to 4.0
I would agree with 4.7 if they had a lineup at that br. It goes to 4.7 then only people who know how to play it will play it then it goes up again until nobody plays it. Thats how these things work. Look at the french 7.7 very strong vehicles but their main money maker wont go up to 8.0 dont get me wrong its an annoying vehicle to fight with very good armor but the other two that went to 8.0 went up because they have high win rates amd stats and not good money making for gaijin. The whole argument of the sav going up will either kill most people who play it or leave it where it dominates. Kinda like my 5.7 jumbo which at 5.3 was busted and at 5.7 is still very strong. People forget most of the 5.7 vehicles went to 6.0 meaning more food for my jumbo in those ontier or downtier matches. I personally think the Sav should go to 4.3 and that should cause a bunch of players to stop playing it because of the armor being more of a problem. People will have to play more rat like and learn all the weak spots. If it doesnt pen its just volumetric or poor aiming.
Even less of a lineup then 4.7. 4.0 actually has a lineup, though.
Whats on 4.7 cause i cant remember a single ground vehicle. Im playing realistic not arcade