The SAMP/T 'Mamba' - History, Design, Performance & Discussion

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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Thank you for initiating the thread !

One quick add on that could be made : the missile technically has 2 diameters : the 180mm one is for the terminal dart, and the booster is 380mm

Also, got to love the fact that Arabel has less range that the missile it works with, thankfully it got fixed with the NG variant X)

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Shouldn’t it be precised that Italy use another truck instead of the renault one ?

And as far as understand the block 0 did intercept houthi ballistic missile.

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Hi, Aster 30 Block 1s have been installed on UK Naval platforms as early as 2022, of which they’ve been used to intercept Houthi Ballistic Missiles.

As well, yes, a distinction has been made between the Truck Chassis of France and Italy. Italy uses an Astra-Iveco 8x8, while export customers like Singapore and Saudi Arabia use specific chassis. By technically SAMP/T is more of the modules mounted on the back of these trucks, as even the French used them on older TRM-10000s.

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Thanks for the input, correction made!

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correct : FREMMs in Marine nationale intercepted some ballistic missiles with the block 0. Those are so slow you don’t really need your SAM to be anti ballistic to intercept them however

I think they were early cold war SCUDS

As far as i’m aware, italian and french SAMP/T are equipped with block 1 from the get go, so it should in theory be able to intercept ballistic missile with a range comprised between 300 and 600km

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Would love to see this in-game at some point.

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definetly did, the radar was by far the biggest obsolescence, the italian one will use the KRONOS GM HP while the french one will use the GF300.
quite a big improvement

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yeah going from Arabel to GF300 is like switching from steam locomotive to some high speed train or something

What’s the predecessor of the KRONOS for the italians ?

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We were also using the arabel

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Well, got to see it on the bright side i suppose : with an old radar like Arabel, you won’t be wasting your missile by firing them at max range that’s for sure X)

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Regarding the radars, i’ve got info from a few different sources, idk if they are all serious/credible or not :

Arabel :

  • Range : 70km against aircraft, and 20km against missiles
  • Band : X (Will translate to I or J band in game)
  • Maximum elevation : 70°
  • Maximum number of tracked targets : 50
  • Guidance channels : 16
  • Rotation speed : 60 RPM

Reference :

Kronos GM HP :

  • Range : 300km (0.01m² RCS if i understand the doc correctly)
  • Band : C (Will translate to G or H band in game)
  • Maximum elevation : 90°
  • Maximum number of tracked targets : >500
  • Guidance channels : 30
  • Rotation speed / Refresh rate : 1s for engaged target, 4s for non engaged targets (probably 60RPM)

Reference :

Ground Fire 300

  • Range : 400km (RCS not specified)
  • Band : S (Will translate to E or F band in game)
  • Maximum elevation : 90°
  • Maximum number of tracked targets : >1000
  • Guidance channels : unknown
  • Rotation speed : 60 RPM

Reference :

All in all :

  • Note that more modern radars get to longer wavelength, which means more range, but less angular resolution (not so much of a problem when your missiles are F&F and you have a decent software)
  • Both Kronos and GF300 will be far enough to operate the system, while Arabel won’t deliver the full potential of the Aster-30 B1 and B1NT
  • Both italian and french radars (Kronos and GF300) use Gallium Nitride (GaN)

If you spot a correction to make / a small error, feel free to share

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I’ve seen reports of SAMP/T NG’s Radar system being Ku or Ka, but I’d need to go verify which specific system they reference.

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That’s also technically correct :

Ku band is used in the Aster-30 B1 ARH seeker
Ka band is used in the Aster-30 B1 NT ARH seeker

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Should translate to J and K bands respectively. Idk what current AAM already present in game use (i think MICA uses J band as well, since the seekers are basically identical with Aster-30 B0 and B1)

Multiple articles mention it, but i’ll try to find a correct source and post it here when i find it

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That’s a nice suggestion. I hope the devs hear of it so they can see that it only carries ASTER 30 and not 15, as I suspect they intended to add when mentioning it in the dev stream

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I don’t think Patriot like spaa makes any sense in things like ground rb, so if it was going only to get aster 30 it would end up in an air sead mode thingy.

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Well considering gaijin plans for the future… It does. Do you really think there will be any sense of balance when it’ll be 150km+ ARMs VS 40km SPAAs?
So basically you just need to have 2 planes in the air (1 that yeets ARMs and one that yeets AGMs) and your game is doomed to be destroyed by CAS and SPAA denial.

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Currently all ARHs in the game use the same I-band.
When MICA first came out, there was a report that it should be changed to J-band, but it seems that it hasn’t been changed yet.
I think they are keeping the same band value for all ARH missiles for balance and fairness reasons.

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All fox 3s also had the same seekers and some thought that developers will keep it the same until last patch when MICA EM got its reduced seeker width. So never say never.

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I didn’t say “never” specifically.
The reason I replied was because all ARH seekers are using the same band right now and I just wanted to let him know which band it is.
And even if MICA’s seeker width changed, the type of band is the same, so this point should still be changed.

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https://x.com/DGA/status/1950607610463314366

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