I didn’t say “never” specifically.
The reason I replied was because all ARH seekers are using the same band right now and I just wanted to let him know which band it is.
And even if MICA’s seeker width changed, the type of band is the same, so this point should still be changed.
https://x.com/MarineNationale/status/1950474444985815472
in the link they shared, they specify that they shot down a mach 2.7 missile at 4m altitude using an Aster, proving once and for all that at least over the sea, multipath isn’t really a problem for these modern seekers
“Lors de cette édtition 2025, 12 missiles anti-aérien ont été tirés par une dizaine de navires. La Normandie a intercepté, avec un missile Aster-30, une cible supersonique lancée à Mach 2,7 volant à environ quatre mètres au dessus de la surface”
Could be translated to : “During this 2025 edition (formidable shield), 12 anti-air missiles were shot by 10 ships. The Normandie intercepted, using an Aster-30 missile, a target travelling at mach 2.7 and flying roughly 4 meters high”
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Accodring to Ukrainean & US sources Samp/t suffers massive software problems and other issues. The system doesn’t work. Even inferior to decades older Patriot.
Also this class of long range SAMs won’t be ingame for a long time. This thread is a bit over-optimistic.
And the source for that is… ?
Ukraine seems quite OK with the SAMP/T, although it seems to struggle against hypersonic threats (PK not very high), which is totally fine considering it wasn’t built with these threats in mind, as we were still in the late 1990s, early 2000s).
Which is why we are seeing this happening : https://x.com/DGA/status/1950607610463314366
as well as the new AESA ground fire 300.
As a matter of fact, between the italian and french versions + the different generations, i don’t think the system will be just one vehicle in the tech tree
Patriot’s PK against such threats is most likely not perfect as well (otherwise no hypersonic russian stuff would hit in the covered areas, and yet), meanwhile the wunderwaffe “100% interception rate” IRIS-T SLM is tasked with shooting down easier targets such as drones, glide bombs or cruise missiles.
EDIT : checked on the software issue
It was first mentionned in the WSJ (talk of a source)
That being said, if i do my digging on secondary source as well it would seem the infamous terrific issue was due to the way the battery was assembled quite in urgency and with limited numbers. The problem was fixed in… a few weeks
That issue aside, they seem happy with the system performance, the other problem being the limited number of missiles, of which the production is ramping up as we speak, although this isn’t an issue with the quality of the missile per se
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Regarding logistics, the issue with the provision of Batteries or even Missiles isn’t a problem the SAMP/T alone has been having in Ukraine. With the concern being focused on BMD, munitions have been used in higher amounts than any production line expected, due to the combat intensity. Be it Patriots or SAMP/T, the premier missile isn’t as available as desired.
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Not necessarily, for one thing, this thread was initiated on the basis of dev commentary regarding the addition of new AA in the coming update.
Now whether plans have changed, who’s to say. As rather erroneously, a misunderstanding regarding the use of Aster 15 from SAMP/T was used. Even still, Aster 30, against maneuvering fighter aircraft is rated at ~45km in range at best.
If the supposed fixes to other AA were to come as well, as this is also supposed as a SEAD update (for aerial counterplay), SAMP/T wouldn’t be out of the question. Most especially if added using Block 1 Aster 30s or at most NTs, since they do not possess IR sensors and would be susceptible to multipathing in War Thunder.
Had 60-70 in mind, but can’t tell where i read it tbh
Max range of the B1 is claimed in the ballpark of 100-120km. I have had in mind an interception range of around 60+km, with the ASTER 15 being in the 30-50km range
B0 at 100
B1 at 120
B1 NT at 150
Hitting a maneuvering plane would be around half that. I think the 60-70 comes from an article mentionning the rules of engagements the singaporians used
But i can’t find the article right now, and my memory could be tricking me
As for 15, it’s officially rated as 30 max, although the EC variant will push the range to 60 (with no change to the internal of the missile except for the seeker maybe)
Going from 30 to 60 without more propellant smells like MBDA shenanigans… yet AGAIN
Can’t be, MBDA has it at over 45km no?
I will admit that for all intents and purposes, the figures I’ve listed are conservative due to certain documents contradicting each other. Even primary sources early in SAMP/T’s service do this.
I wouldn’t sweat the extra range in-game however, acceleration, sustainment, and g overload are more what I’d place focus on, considering there’s no doubt Mamba will have the most formidable range if added.
officially 30 if i remember well, could be wrong though
While those range figures are a bit less precise, I think it would be easier to implement in game than say, the MICA VL (lol), since the booster burn phase and speed is known (at least for ASTER 30), and G loads for the booster and sustainer are also known. Is it possible in statshark to model dual stage missiles yet ?
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That i agree
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nope
Simply because of the diameter for starters (goes from 380 to 180 on Aster-30 when the booster detaches). Same goes for length
I my memory is correct, ASTER 30 had the following parameters :
Booster : Mach 4 in 3.5s. G load of 50G
Sustainer : up to Mach 4.5 (is the burn duration known ?), G load of 63G
Aster 15 booster could be inferred from the size difference with Aster 30
i think we are getting the samp/t along with the buk m3 in the next update ? iirc BVVD revealed this in the previous dev server. i feel like they may add anti radiation missiles in the same update or cruise missiles/MITL missiles. but ARMs may be a bit too op especially for us/rus/china. 2 flankers can carry 12 ARMs that are much faster than kh38.
Unfortunately not
63 gs is the highest stated value I’ve seen listed in a document. As for the sustainer’s motor, this information has been difficult to find.