100% agree.
Although I will say the Ariete absolutely dogs on any subsonic, so 9.3 is actually pretty fair from my experience. Full downtiers in the Ariete are absolutely criminal considering nothing can do anything against you.
As for everything else you’re spot on. The G.91Y and G.91YS are so hilariously Over-BR’d its bonkers. The F-104G could also use to go down to 10.3 as well.
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Explain to me how the subsonic G.91YS belongs at 9.7 when the MiG-21S (R-13-300) is also a 9.7, or how the Sagittario 2 is the same BR as it’s Premium counterpart, the Ariete which is superior to the Sagittario 2 in every way.
Most Italian aircraft are so stupidly overtiered it’s absurd.
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I like the look of this bar the Ariete and I think the Sagittario is also pretty good but I dont have it, I think those should stay at their former br’s of 9.3 and 9.0 respectively.
The vampire change looks good too as its chief anologue the F80C-10 is a lower br and arguably better (also benefits me as a brit main because our Vampire is the worst one in-game at the same br as the rest).
The YS is too high for what it is.
Ariete in my opinion has to go down if America has planes like the A-4E at BR8.7 or like the F-4D1 at BR 9.0 and Russia has planes like the Yak-38 at BR 9.3 then Ariete has to go down to BR 9.0
For once the players of the great nations must learn how to play the game, it is not possible that it is always Italy that loses out.
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The A-4E isn’t a very good dogfighter though and has a mediocre engine.
As for the F4D yeah no I agree there.
My first and major disappointment with Sagi 2 was when they removed AP shells, that was a major nerf that limits the plane for air role ONLY
g91ys not only is slow but also its afterburner overheats fast, not allowing the player to use for decent amount of time
totally agree
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I’ve put a talisman on the Saggitario 2, and have made it my second most victorious vehicle in the game over the past month. The only reason I’m ever able to kill a supersonic is because they do one of a few things.
- Force a full commit head-on which I win.
- Decide that a MiG-21 can turnfight it because “Muh cropped delta wing, high AoA” and pull a cobra right into my gun sight.
- I bait them on my six and force a slow overshoot after bleeding some of their energy.
It is absolutely a pilot skill issue.
The MiG-15/17 and Sabres are the perfect contemporaries for the Sag 2, and the fact it has to fight AIM-9L’s almost every match is criminal. All it takes is a pilot smart enough to not just immediately try to turnfight you in one of those and use the upsides of their aircraft, like speed or vertical energy retention.
The Ariete on the other hand having 50% extra thrust makes it very good, as its hard to run out of speed, so it would be too good to face those subsonics every match. Also, the fact that you can pay money for the exact same aircraft with literally the only difference being 50% more thrust and 5% more weight is criminally P2W.
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The reason aircraft like this go up so high is because they face inexperienced premium players who just bought their first jet or brute forced their way to the top by base bombing. They lack the comprehension to understand that there is more than one type of dogfighting style.
Also, the fact that Italy is a minor nation, and the Sag 2 is a unique jet with its own playstyle draws many experienced players to it, which inflates its stats.
Gaijin has a habit of not actually analyzing a planes performance, and only analyzing its stats. (CL-13 Mk4) Of course if you put 5000 hour ace pilots in a plane instead of Timmy in “muh brrrrt machine” its gonna have a higher KDR, that doesn’t make it a better plane, the pilot is just superior. Now if only they would analyze the stat of the AIM-9L having a 0.95 p(K) against Korean war jets, and realize that’s not acceptable.
We can see the same situation occur in the Japanese tech tree, like Warpig_ said, its the turnfighter problem. The A6M5 has been steadily increase in BR over the years to ridiculous heights, to the point it is now considered a contemporary of such things as the Bf-109K4 and LF Mk.9. Just because American and German pilots can’t figure out that they should stop trying to turnfight an aircraft they have lost 100 consecutive turnfights to doesn’t make it OP.
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Re. doesn’t stand for king, it stands for Reggiane which gets it’s name from reggio emilia, minor thing but it annoyed me. but yes lower the BR for most planes
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I just posted about this too. I just played a game where I was facing 10.7 in air realistic. F4s and A10s I mean WTF.
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it’s not "just a good turn fighter
it’s better than the cl13b mk6 on every single aspect that is not linear speed. Even the 30mm’s are free kills. 900m/s with higher ROF than adens and no dropoff + best tnt load.
just because it faces two undertiered planes doesn’t mean the plane itself is already overtiered. It treads on every single 9.3 that can’t break mach 1.
I’ve played multiple planes in this thing where this happened
so i would agree but i have to say, when you play jet tier italy you just have to exploit other peoples mistakes, of which they make ALOT of them at this point. so its not as much of a problem to be at this tier as you would think
Here’s all the 9.3 vehicles
Here’s all the 9.0 planes in the game
I won’t talk about 9.3 or uptier matches. it’s out of question!
every 9.0 plane has missiles. you can’t find a single plane without missile. and most of them even out climb and out turn sagittario-2.
Talk about the mig-15 bis which is at 8.3
Not gonna show the CL13 MK.6…just see the MK.5
first look at this. I admit that sagittario-2 has good gun… that doesn’t mean you have to wait for a downtier match to actually play this plane
that’s interesting, i didn’t even know that it was out classed by almost every 9.0 plane. makes it even more silly that it moved up to 9.3
that being said…
at 9.3 almost nothing can turnfight as well as the saggitario 2, especially in an uptier, i regularly pull 12 gs in the saggitario 2. the plane is amazing if you go up against the general public of morons(whom are especially stupid at this tier for some reason).
The ariete also at 9.3 i know ariete can’t be at 9.0 cause it has a better engine. But for sagittario 2 it’s not fair. Once you take off it’s just do or die. No fair fight. Either you get a missile or targetted by the whole team after chasing sonic booms the entire match