you better stop right now before you get banned
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politics go out
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The Chinese believe that the R-77 of the Su-27 is inferior to the aim-120 and pl-12. They feel that the radar of the Su-27 is too backward and cannot fight against the aim-120 of the jas-39c beyond visual range.
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Yep J-10A beat J-11A in BVR and WVR with a PL-8B and PL-12 loadout and Gripen only won BVR but lost a majority of WVR engagement. J-10AH also defeated SU-30MK2 and that was also attributed to poor weapons and avionics.
I can use Ukrainian sources as an example!
J-11A is a Chinese modernization based on the Su-27SMK project…the exact composition of the equipment is unknown…
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First of all, we are talking about simulated air-to-air missile weapons, the tactical and technical parameters of which were introduced into the software of the fighter aircraft weapons control system (SUV), which is responsible for modeling virtual air combat in general and “electronic launches” in particular. So, if the parameters of far from the most promising PL-12 medium-range guided air combat missiles equipped with active radar GOS of type 9B-1348E and having an effective range of only 70-85 km were introduced into the SUV of the Chinese J-11A, then the parameters of long-range guided missiles were introduced into the simulation software of the Thai Gripen weapons control systems. AIM-120C-5/7 air-to-air missiles with a forward hemisphere interception range of 105 and 120 km, respectively.
And even if the PS-05A low-energy radars installed on the JAS-39C/D did not allow the Gripen crews to fully realize the range potential of AMRAAMs, their early launch from a distance of more than 110 km could be possible thanks to the implementation of the “HOJ” mode (interference guidance; in the case of J-11A pilots using L005 container electronic warfare systems-With “Sorption”), or by targeting from an on-board radiation warning system capable of locating and calculating the angular coordinates of the radiation source (in our case, the Chinese radar N001VE) at a distance of about 200-250 km. As for the Chinese J-11A, the PL-12 suspensions placed on their nodes, which have not so “long-playing” single-mode engines (in comparison with the AIM-120C-5/7), would not allow to intercept Thai Gripens at a distance of 90-100 km, even if direct participation in the process of target designation, on-board radiation warning systems SPO-15 “Birch” or KJ-2000 long-range radar detection and control aircraft were used.
I’d like to remind everyone not to indulge in any political discourse or discussion of ongoing world events. This is a video game forum.
It’s simply not feasible that the R-77 is outranged by the earliest AMRAAMS and the Gripens used in the exercise previously mentioned against the PLAAF were using the AIM-120C-5/7 as mentioned.
With this knowledge, we must also consider that the Gripen has a relatively small RCS … The Su-27 is 3-5x larger at almost 20m2. The disproportionate detection ranges, uncertainty as to which AMRAAM variant the Gripens used… and the lack of launch parameters for stated ranges leaves us with little to work with. It’s not a very good source.
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Translation error, if the score is 1-5.9l（较强）=4，r73（强）=5
This has a lot to do with angle, directly head-on it may be 15-20 but from other aspects can be much greater.
not, middle Su-27 RCS 10-15m2
Again, 3-5x that of the Gripen
It’s also 3-5x that of the typhoon to. Did they not use any type of coating on the Su-27?
Not that I know of, possibly not even now.
How was the seeker of the R-77 compared to the early 120s?
16-18km range from public sources against unknown size target. Seems to be comparable, and China used it in their PL-12 initially. In-game it will likely be similar.
i found what it’s for 5 m2 RCS targets
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Would there be any difference between the R-77 and early 120? From what I am reading throughout the thread and on other topics, the 120a is really not that great of a missile compared to the R-77 and even the R-27ER.
The AIM-120A will be very potent, in the same manner as the R-27R/ER due to the datalink and inertial guidance. The added active radar component will make it extremely deadly at medium and close ranges. The maneuverability (35G) is also a huge factor. Consider it a superior AIM-9M for close quarters in most cases aside from the additional weight.