The initial message seemingly hasn’t gotten a reply yet. I have sent out some more messages to other technical moderators. We will see what happens to those.
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MatAWG was comparing the performance based on the datamined value for the missiles using this. As you see, the planar fins AIM-120B and lattice fins R-77 and R-77-1 have the same drag curve shape, just the magnitude is different.
Using the speed graph as a comparison, easily we can estimate that if the R-77 speed loss was reduced in 30%, it would have the energy advantage for 15 or 20 seconds.
The Drag graph is not correct
How so? The shape of the curve is wrong?
yep
It seems like Gaijin doesn’t account for the non-linearity on the drag coefficient of the lattice fins. That “estimated slope” is a averaged out curve to represent what the drag acceleration differential would look like.
The zero yaw drag should be visible in the low mach numbers graph in this estimated slope if the the R-77 had a non-linear drag modelled, but it just aproximates a straight line: a linear function.
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@Busheedoh do you think this is the evidence we need? I can refine even more these results and do other tests to gather more data if it isn’t enough.
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The developers themselves commented and said they would not model the grid fins unique drag characteristics above but you guys claim to have read the thread so I had assumed you’d seen that already.
Okay. Smin of all people gave me a response on the matter, and it seems that the way we do this is by making a report. Which I guess makes sense? But at the same time makes getting information on the situation a bit tricky.
I guess we have to go through the necessary hoops of bureaucracy to get the developers to comment on the subject.
So, I propose we make a report with the intention of “probing” an answer from the developers on the subject. It shouldn’t be treated as the final report, but one that may get the developers to comment on the subject – so that we may then, on that information, make a more informed and finalized report.
@k_stepanovich I would like to inquire- does the R-77 have the unique wave drag characteristic for grid fins modeled? If not, is it something we should report?
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Or, we do that. Tbh, I was kind of wondering if you can just ping a developer in a thread to ask it, but if you can, then yeah, that works.
Making an inquiry and getting a dev answer on bug report gives death sentence to a report as technical moderators will state that the developer has already provided a response to the subject and veto subsequent reports.
Is it really that bad? I have heard of how the suggestion process is very dubious, but this much? Jeez… It’s really frustrating that the process for suggestions is so scuffed.
They need to decide if this is arcade fantasy or sim and spend a few years fixing the game instead of shoving in new content
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The issue is they want all of these things…
Im still trying to find the Wikipedia source that he said but oh well…some of the pictures were related to the PDFs which i doubt they even opened…not mention they prob only answered that because you fowarded that…so much time passed i dont even have the sources no more (T＿T)
R-77 CFD data in the works
Can someone give some more info about this ramjet R-77? Did it ever make it past mockup stage and onto an aircraft or no?
No
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Shame, would be an interesting addition if it did.