Wait this sim my bad guy sorry I thought ARB.
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Sorry I thought it was topic about SU-30 in ARB.
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My bad guys my bad sorry.
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Which are all way worse and on top of this, none of these are premiums so they cant get spammed
Nope. It is its own problem yes, but in this case the su30 premiums are 13.3 solely for the explicit purpose of being pay to win and a cash cow for gaijin.
I don’t know where you get off on the Su-30MKK not being 13.7. When you compare it to the F-15C MSIP. II The SU-30MKK is basically it’s equivalent. Su-30MKK also gets HMS. This makes the aircraft even more borked at that BR, especially as it carries 4 R-73Es as well. You get a whole compliment of insanely good missiles while in the same breath, you can face F-4Js
To give contrast.
The F-4J, with one of the first ever pulse-doppler sets ever placed into a fighter, and participated in the Mid-1960’s in the Vietnam war, can face a jet built in the 2000’s with a highly modernized version of a radar set designed and put into service in the mid to late 80’s
WW2 planes can face 1980s Pucara. Is that fair?
Does the Pucara have advanced avionics and armaments that practically outclass what it’s facing by an extreme margin? No. It suffers the same cancer as being an annoying turbo prop.
But when you’re in an F-4J with SARH missiles facing against an Aircraft with 6 ARHs and 4 IRCCMs that basically out does you at everything? That’s really dumb.
If you want to even it out further.
How does a Jet that carries 4 more missiles than the F-16ADF, has more counter measures and an HMS system fair at the same BR?
Realistically. Gaijin just needs to go off the deep end and do 15.7 so we can space this garbage out already.
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Yes it has advanced modern turboprop engines from the 1980s so it should face other 1980 jets like the F-15.
F-4Js can’t meet the Su-30s. But you know what it can meet? The 13.0 F-16XL lol.
F-16ADFs have far better FM (TWR, Turn rates, energy retention). AMRAAMS have better time to target vs R-77s and with the new buffed AMRAAMs as the cherry on top.
Compare F-16ADF to JF-17 for example lol.
You are right - the problem is compression. Su-30s should be 1 step below Su-27SM/J-11B.
But look how compressed 13.7 to 14.7. You have mech radar planes with mediocre flight performance against AESA Typhoons and Rafales
This matters way less in air RB than the advantages the su30 brings and you should not try to say they are equal characteristics
This also doesnt matter in general. R-77 isn’t being used a BVR missile and if the aim120 gets used as one, its extremely easy to defeat.
It’s not a compression issue. The Su30s plainly, put simply, are 13.7 aircraft. They fit in at 13.7 even if they would not be in the top 3 or top 5. They do not fit in, at all, in the slightest, with 13.3 jets.
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FM matters brother… Look at the F-18s…
AMRAAMs reaches targets without bleeding speed against maneuvering targets at 10-15km. R77s bleed too much energy with their improperly modelled airbrake fins because Gaijin hates Russian planes for whatever reason.
I’m not talking about stupid 30k ranges. And with your superior FM you can get into notch angles faster.
It is a compression issue, you’re saying to put them at the same BR as Su-27SM/J-11B/F-2A/F-15C/JM??
The problem is they are 13.5BR jets. Which is a BR which doesn’t exist yet.
Sure! Not more than the su30 having 10 missiles with 6 of them being r77s though! The scale does not tip to level, the scale is still very much hammered down on the su30 side.
R-77 doesn’t struggle at this range. Not that it would matter since the su30 can literally notch ur amraam then just fire a hms r77 at you and close the distance until he merges
It isnt, the jet is just simply undertiered. It fits in at 13.7 just fine. It’s not comparable to any 13.3.
This would result in a “mid premium” instead of a “horrendously overpowered pay to win wallet warrior jet” so yes. Decompress whenever, put them to 13.7 in the meantime.
Su30 fighting 14.7 with R-77s is much less problematic than 12.3-13.0 jets fighting the Su-30.
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You know what’s a mid aircraft? The Su-27SM. Quite literally in the middle of the pack right now lol StatShark - See All Player, Missile, and Vehicle Statistics
And you want to put a worse Su-27SM at the same BR?
This is the best 13.7 jet in game btw so I’m having trouble continuing this conversation with you. And no, I don’t care that the statistics might not say that on statshark. Statshark does not tell blanket truths without any interpretation as to why the stats are the way they are. Pretty much every educated player agrees the su27sm is the current meta 13.7
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Lmao even the 14.0 Su-27SM migoon believer has better performance in his F-2A than the Su-27SM
I don’t care. I review the jets, not the players.
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The people who claim Su-27SM is the best 13.7 jet somehow has better performance in the F-2A. No dissonance here.
Talking about individual player statistics when referring to a plane is really silly. Further, you aren’t even talking MY performance, but some random’s.
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So somehow you can use player interpretation as your argument but I can’t?
That doesn’t seem fair.
When have I done so
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Somehow you know how to interpret the stats correctly.