pantsir smsv highlights how crappy the cas options are in ground arcade, literally impossible to kill
Nah.
FK 2000 got couple big issues.
One is stiff and low chassis and lack on gun depression and elevation.
and radar is bit off like cs/sa5. Numerous times when it doesnt even see a scout drones etc
But biggest issues is that trying to aim even lil bit down on straight up is impossible , and that missile is less mobile vs pantsir and feels actually slower in use, despite it is only 2g less and it should be 50ms/s faster.
Also worth of sidenote, it should not even have traditional HE rounds, it should use anti explosive and ap rounds. ( HEVT are closest modeled in game)
Sorry to jump in on such an old post but the slight difference might be that while the t90ms certainly arent the most meta and far from the best top tier tanks, you definitely can get them to work. I played most top tier mbts despite chinese, israeli and the british for 100s or thousands of matches, and they all show pretty similar results. sure some better some worse, some i didnt play for ages, or played as my first completed tech tree like 5 years ago. Some i played at a point when the nation was struggling or wasnt meta. Im not like, THE BEST ground player ever and maybe t90m playstyle suits me for whatever reason. But still, point being, the t90m shows quite good results after free acing the base version even.
So a t90m, while map and situation dependend is still a force to be reckoned with if played correctly. Worse than uparmored swedish leo 2s and leo2a7s, abrams and in lots of situations worse than type 10s and maybe even leclercs. but still a force u cant ignore.
Oh and people for sure are trying to press that initiative of russia “needing” better mbts or something crazy…theres just not a lot you can do i guess, when thats just what its reverse speed, gun depression and reload speed are.
Now compare that power difference of a t90m or t90m ARENA to the power difference of a Pantsir SM-SV to a type 03. The type 03 cant deal with about 80 % of the threats its designed to keep in check- air targets and ordinance at all (or at least it should make them have to play somewhat careful…which…if youre not completely careless u can just ignore it or get an easy triplekill).
Launches with any hit probability at fast movers are basically only possible at more than 5-6 km out depending on map and speed. Easy af to multipath. Ages to react. Giant smoke plume telling you when he launched and where he is. Takes like 10 seconds to arc back down, if possible at all. Cant target helis at all (fox 3 problem). and cant target or fails to shoot down most ordinance (fox 3 problem coupled with the giant arc the missiles do on launch). Like. Its not even a comparison. Type 03 only exists to give good cas pilots free SP in form of 3x or to get cross mapped by tanks. It is on almost all maps and vs almost everything that is demolishing your team and all map control from the air-entirely pointless to spawn.
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Thats one of the main issues. A super op, top of the line capable SPAA for free. While ofther free SPAAs are very limited. Its rigged towards the russians.
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It should have been the tor m1 to be free
But gaijin doing gaijin stuff and blame it on players
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It should have been no free SPAA for everybody.
Should give free pantsirs to everyone to send more CAS mains back to the hangar or back to air rb to bomb AI targets.
Pros of free pantsirs:
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Since pantsirs are strong as everybody says, people will spawn them more frequently so more foods for tankers, free kills/rp/lions.
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The population of CAS clowns goes down, tanker get to enjoy playing tanks in ground battles.
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Happy tankers will spend more money, buy more premiums so gaijing can pay bonuses to hardworking staffs and then change new car every year. With new BMWs/Mercedes the gf/waifu will treat you like king. Feels very good.
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More money = more motivation to work hard, so dev might put all their hours in and make the game even better.
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Game fun to play, play the game more, matchmaking time goes down. You happy me happy.
Cons:
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CAS mains/combined mains angry because can’t close eyes and bomb tanks because strong SPAA cockblock, angry players often grieve other players to spoil their moods
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Bomb AI targets not as fun as bombing human-controlled targets, when can’t bomb tanks easily in ground battles they go back to air battles or close the game, lack players so matchmaking time for grb take a hit.
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If air unit no longer effective, people would spawn air unit less often, so SPAA mains angry since no food/lack of food now, so they play less or no more spending money, one thing lead to another so company sales go down a bit, boss no pay bonus so staff no happy so no work hard, reports unattended or simply mark as not a bug without looking, now back to players angry again because bad customer service.
So you see nothing is perfect bros but I will still go for strong SPAAs for everyone since I am a tank main and there is air battles and there is no ground battle so not fair.
free spaa is fine imo. im tired of one life andys that just bring m1a1 clickbaits, rush in as a horde, immediately die and leave. Tho it sure is the question if players of this quality will use a free spaa somewhat efficiently or at all to keep supporting their team. But if its gaijins desire to have 50 to sometimes 80 % of all players around certain brs to bring only one adequate vehicle and 0 skill or intent to win, then a free spaa is a good idea. One question i do have tho is if u get crewlocked not using it (how it should be) or if the free vehicles dont count towards crew locks. Its fking tiring if you bring 6-10 vehicle lineups (i have strictly 10 vehicle lineups to always have a choice…) and having to play long lost matches being outnumbered 3 to 1 constantly, just because i am forced to spend every last spawnpoint and now have to fight double the number of tanks my team has plus all the cas those quitters have gotten the enemy team into.
Its a bit of a problem tho if the free spaa for one nation is a pantsir and for others a flarak, an adats (which is at least decent vs helis) or i dont even wanna know what rubbish u get playing japan or israel.
The stock tanks though…entirely pointless…
If their kd is 0.5, then it’s better that they leave after one death else their respawns gonna donate more points to enemy team and drain your teams tickets, and now enemy team can spawn CAS to bomb your team, or continue to spawn infinite amount of reinforcement bro
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i mean true, that might be the outcome if their class in the debatably “easier” to play spaas doesnt exceed what they are capable of in a blatantly op clickbait. But still. Even having SPAA up makes a jets and helis life at least somewhat harder and forces them to play a bit more careful instead of just james stratting instantly.
Thing is, if we say yeah its definitely better they leave instantly, which i get your arguments for, like hypothetically if that were true every match, then every match is just which team has more (or worse) premium players and after they die you will see in the stats how much of your team is left, if youre outnumbered 2:1, just j out, no matter your score or your position on the map, just go next. Enemy cas is incoming, you likely have 0 spaa and none of those guys will have a plane… I get that those 2-3 min matches are the norm anyways but it would be so much worse.
True indeed bro there is no perfect solution, we win some we lose some. Having meat shields is still better than not having meat shield, presence alone can stall/distract the enemies and put them on guard. So respawn is still better, especially light tanks and use drone to wallhack tag enemies for your team.
oh yeah. something like that, didnt even think of that. Yeah just play conservatively, scout and keep control of some area on the map.
Though, since the free light tanks (are there any, idk, never used the tanks) are stock, do they even get a drone?
Sry btw for editing my messages a bit late, i dont like to type them all at once and edit judging by how they look in the tiny window during edits. Might wanna check on my 2nd message before i added a paragraph
Nope, just wish wallet man has at least one 8.7 spaded light tank, scout drone is technically sv_cheats 1 during late game, that mechanic is so busted bro I actually felt bad for using it to abuse the poor enemy team.
shame though, i would have at least trusted wallet_man123 to be able to do at least that. but seems like he cant. sadge. Good alias though. WalletMan rofl. the most useless superhero ever. Or the best antihero ever.
We still have to respeck wallet mans because they pay the bills, else we can’t freeload the game and still receive super updates as frequently. Money makes people work bro, a lot of freeloaders still have the nerves to talk crap about someone who actually set foods on the table, ungrateful disgusting sons of… so walletman still more valuable than some freeloaders aka welfare-warriors.
oh yeah drone scouting rly is something else. i can almost feel someone at gaijin being crazy proud about adding that whole drone debacle. also helps that lots of nations at almost all or even at all brs struggle very hard to shoot them down even with spaa. Not russia, ofc.
also true. i myself have put way more money than id ever thought i will into this game. And for people grinding entire tech trees without any clue how to play at almost top tier with one singular vehicle lineups is even more gaijins fault than the players using this opportunity. Snail could have simply sold top and high tier tanks strictly as vehicle duos (mbt+ spaa or mbt+light tank) but they didnt. They also didnt introduce crewlocks for one vehicle lineups. Im not blaming players for using the tools they are given. Its still incredibly bad for the game quality in entire br ranges…
And if this gets so annoying for lots of other players that have put multiple hundreds of dollars or euros into the game and not “just 60” so they quit that would be kind of a shame, but im sure thats already happening en masse and always has…
M247, Chinese gepard, and any mbts with hevt/hetf will one-shot it. Puma with AHEAD is very effective too, up there tunguska and pantsirs will make very short work of it, and the cute Italian SPAA also one shot it easily.
If you manage to hit it , if its not outside of your radars detection range which seems to be like 2-2.5 km and if its not right above your radar cone or circling around you so its way too close to hit with ir (stinger,mistral) slingers. but yeah thats a different matter, we’re drifting offtopic