The Pantsir SM-SV is Simply Too Strong, Russian Bias as Clear as Day

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Lol, it does.

Definitely. But only if you have enough experience with similar weapon systems or vehicles. For example, I could estimate how broken Kh-38MTs gonna be since a first glance on its statcard on a dev stream. I was right, its literally broke the game.

2902

Great, so I am 100% able to judge the Pantsir (and the FnF ATGMs), as I have more than enough experience with other SAMs (and ATGMs)

2903

What other SAMs do you have, just curious

2904

Stormer HVM, ADATS, Rapier, Sky Sabre

I haven’t used the Sky Sabre much, but you don’t need to play many matches with it at all to be able to tell that it has lots of trouble dealing with helis and is very easy to counter (just like most other current top tier SAMs)

For top tier SAMs in general, having eyes should be enough to be able to tell that the systems are in a bad spot compared to the CAS they have to deal with.

My experience with the ADATS is limited to the time after 4th gen planes and the Kh-38MT became available and I am sure my stats with it reflect that.

The Stormer HVM has been my go-to SAM ever since I unlocked it and well, the Rapier is just a sad story overall.

By using free anti air spawns I’ve also used the 2S6 and OSA, which I suppose you’ll have to take my word for, because free anti air spawns don’t show up in your stats tab

2905

oh nice, I also have the Sky Sabre and I additionally have the Pantsir SM-SV as you know and the NASAMS 3 (Norwegian one)

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2906

Idk if you’ve had the same issue but to off topic real quick. Is it just me or has the Sky Sabre been bad half the time at intercepting munitions because I’ve experienced multiple occasions of the CAMM and CAMM-ER failing to intercept a few LMURs and a few KH-38MTs?

2907

Nothing even remotely close to pantsir XD

Man im literally comming to the forums for ppl like you

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2908

What would be close to the Pantsir?
Oh right, the Pantsir, great point.

2909

I mean, I have the Pantsir SM-SV with a current win rate of 76% and K/D of 6.75 so what is the argument you are making?

2910

Exactly. Its literally unique spaa. You cant judge S1 or SM-SV based on 10km irst saclos spaa in case of adats or excel table in case of sky sabre.

2911

My point is @KhorneFlakez1337 have no idea what he is talking about.

2912

oh

2913

So what you are saying is that people that don’t own either one of the Pantsirs can’t call it too strong based on actual specs and their experience having to fight it?

2914

All I can say is that I’ve seen some idiots fail to use it somehow because this thing is stupid good at both munition interception and destroying Helis and aircraft

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2915

You could give people the ultimate weapon that requires no skill whatsoever and you would still see some of them fail to use it

That’s just how it is

2916

Ive seen so many more people do well because it’s easy to use and is extremely good at its job. Just sad to see that NATO doesn’t really have anything that’s on this thing’s power when comparing the NATO SACLOS guided stuff.

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2917

While it would still be extremely powerful, Gaijin could have just left out either the TKBs or the 95Ya6M and the thing wouldn’t even have been nearly as problematic as it is right now

NATO has systems that either specialize on just SHORAD (guns and short range SAMs) or on dealing with planes at longer ranges

A Skyranger for example could somewhat compare to the Pantsir, if the Pantsir didn’t have the 95YA6Ms

2918

No, im saying that people like you shouldnt cant call anything too strong or too weak before they get above 1 kd at least. Don’t try to distort my words.

And SM-SV is broken as hell. Its 1700m/s missile should be removed. Regular S1 is already a 12.7 spaa, which for some “unknown” reasons sits at joke of a BR. New pantsir have smokes, mobility, radar and munitions advantage and must be balanced and moved even higher.

My proposal for balancing SM-SV is:

  1. remove 96ya6m missile completely from the game it has nothing to do with current balance
  2. move new pantsir to the 13.3 BR in GRB (with overall BR decompression) so it wont face helis without FnF munitions or subsonic attack jets/muliroles with TV munitions such as agm-65B
2919

How is someones K/D linked to their ability to literally just look at specifications and be able to tell that there is an obvious imbalance?

You don’t even need to play the game to be able to see that the Pantsir (or something like the Kh-38MT) is much better than any other system based on raw specifications.

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The problem is not in nato military doctrine or vehicles. The problem is implementation.

Gaijin is always trying to “balance” the game to make it fun and playable, but the “red line” is always drawn infront of “red” vehicles. Also alot of features found on “blue” vehicles are considered as OP, while “red” vehicles getting its stats artificially increased to the point it become an actual OP.

Examples:

  1. BMPT getting its belts separated with a hull ammo in order to prevent ammorack by simply being hit in the turret.
  2. BMPT got its vehicle class changed to atgm launcher in order to increase its missile capacity which is physically impossible irl
  3. Logic behind spalling: modules does not produce spall so T-series autoloaders act as a 100% spall liners, while “blue” tanks actuall spall barriers create spall
  4. we have missile such as R-73 or R-27ET but Pyton 4 is apparently too OP for the game. It was literally build to compete with R-73 irl
  5. Kh-38 missile which is made to strike facilities and bridges irl can be used not only for killing tanks, but it can even kill supersonic jets. Yeah and a whole MT version staff as well.
  6. Spike missile known to be extremely accurate is “balanced” to barely even hit a stationary target. I know its even closer to loytering munition irl and usually there is a man guiding it untill the very last part of its flight, but still.
  7. brimstones/jagm missing its targeting modes and systems
  8. you have to fight gaijin without any success for years in order to fix something missing on a “blue” vehicles. Meanwhile gaijin literally creating “red” vehicles based on their assumptions and expectations (yak-141) or even straight up giving it munitions which it cant even physically use (like all R-27 missiles on mig-29 9-12/9-13 except R-27R)

etc

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