It’s literally a statement from the manufacturer themselves selfs. The whole purpose of m829a4 is to defeat 3rd gen era. Your the one making statements with no proof.
My man, you literally complained about the abrams going to another nation.
Let the abrams go to another nation.
I believe you missed the entire point of what I was trying to say.
That says absolutely nothing, thanks for sharing it!
3rd gen ERA being what? FY-4? FY-5?
You’re*
I’m not the one trying to prove that M829A3 can penetrate Relikt armor… what do you expect me to be doing?
I’m saying it’s meant to do it at longer ranges than the M829A2, and also newer generations of ERA.
He also quotes Peter Palastrov’s modernization of 3BM22 using a capped/tipped APFSDS in a similar fashion to M829A2, with the tipped shell being able to go through K-5 without setting off its explosives.
With the Soviet Union’s collapse and the relative unrest that occurred in the decade or so after, is it hard to imagine that not much development or innovation would happen? Especially when both Kaktus and Relikt are said to be of the same generation?
It means there are differences you cannot see, which means more than just the vehicle-round communications.
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For longer ranges, yeah. Agreed there.
But again, what are you basing your effectiveness of M829A2 on?
What newer generations of ERA was it designed to defeat? Relikt was made with segmented rods in mind, which was the primary weakness of Kontakt 5.
Do you have any more information of this other than his blog? From what I’ve read from ogorkievich it’s mostly resistant to A2.
A lot of development and innovation HAD happened, the issue is that very little of it was put into practice and operation.
Kaktus had been experimented with in the late '90s. 4S24 was only given its operational designation in 2006, with Relikt receiving the same treatment in the same year.
There was undoubtedly a lot of innovation, though an argument can be made that it was held off for 6-7 years before being pursued by the military.
I’ll be waiting eagerly for them to be revealed, then. Until then, I’ll still be splitting grains.
Germany can get a polish abrams when Sweden gets its.
Sure, why not? Everyone is getting leopard 2s already.
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“and the desire to destroy targets at a longer range than is possible with the current M829A2,” means that M829A2 can defeat enemies with K5, and that A3 is meant to do that at a longer range than the A2 while also making it able to defeat more advanced ERA.
Going off the fact the US had access to a T-80U sometime between 1992-1994 (going off of this parliament record), and that in 2003 the US had four T-80UDs imported in 2003 suggests they had enough time to design a round that could deal with K5 effectively (since the A2’s production was not delayed).
Also, the figures within the article I mentioned in my first message explain that the type of tip used in the A2 negates K5, it’s very explicit about that.
Although, it must be noted that there are more differences than just visual ones, going off of the documents available currently.
Again, what “more advanced” ERA?
Coolio, that clears up quite a bit.
Very explicit? It was a paraphrase from a blogger, hence why I asked for more information of palastrov’s research.
Such as?
Anything newer than K5?
The translation of the figures say how the 3BM22’s (and the A2’s) style of tip negates K5.
“The M829A4 has comparable characteristics to its predecessor, the M829A3, in length, weight, and center of gravity. The visible difference between the two cartridges is the Ammunition Data Link (ADL) interface rings on the base of the M829A4.” Basically, the length, weight, and CoG are similar, and the only difference you can see if the ADL, but due to the “visible difference” phrase is suggests there are non-visual differences.
The only ERA produced beyond K5 in Russia came a handful of years after 829A3 was introduced to service, let alone developed.
I’m blind.
Saying that it there is one and only one visual difference doesn’t imply internal differences, especially when stated that 829A4 has the same length, weight, and center of gravity.
The only thing that this states is that ADL was implemented for use with the SEPv3.
and who is to say its only means russian era?
just curious, we dont know anything realy about the DM83 yet, since its just finished testing.
But would u say its developed to defeat modern ERA?
Who knows, I’ve already asked what third generation ERA was supposed to mean.
It’s definitely stupid to take a vague statement that could possibly mean other 3rd generation systems and apply it to Relikt, though.
Not entirely sure of the relevance of DM83 here as, like 829A4, it’s almost entirely unknown.
M829A4 is at least operational, whereas DM83 is effectively an enigma until it becomes publicized in 2025.
Seeing as DM53/63/73 have had no effective differences in penetrators, I’d imagine it would pull something to try and negate the effects of NERA and possibly even NxRA.
just saying but DM53 already did have anti era capabilites as well
not enough for relikt but well.
And yeah we will see how it looks for DM83, from what we saw its a chunkyboy either way
DM53 and M829A3 were both introduced within a year of each other, both being able to defeat Kontakt-5 without issue.
That’s the point.
Really? In terms of what, rod diameter?
It would be nice to see the ~2.5cm trend be broken.
Oh that’s beautiful
Dosnt the Penetrator extend further into the base of the shell i think i have seen pictures of that.
Something like this
Its dm83 what dobu want me to answer there.
Its a completly new round
There is nothing realy known
I thought u meant that the penetrator is only 356mm long.
Atleast thats what i thought what the image suggested.