The Mirage IIIC is decidedly a 10.0 given the current meta

Not much to say on this other than it’s a worse 10.3 than every other 10.3 in the game. How in the world this can be compared to an SMT/MF MiG21 is absurd to me. Even the F-8E is better by a long shot. F-5C=better. F-4F early=better. Jag GR.1A=better. F-1= better. A-5C=better at 10.0. Mirage IIIE=better. J35D=better. AJ37=better. Someone make it make sense plz.

2 Likes

You should be asking for decompression.

1 Like

That is because Magic Missiles are not modeled correctly.

and MiG-21SMT/MF, F-8s move up to higher BR

I agree.

I have Mirage IIICJ that is already 10.0BR but, as long as flareless jets are sitting at BR 10.3, the 10.3 BR Mirage IIIC is fair enough.

Magic 1 is still a pretty decent short-range AAM even they got missile drag nerf, and in some ways better than the R-60. It is still the “I win” button against flareless jets.

The problem is current 10.0 and 10.3BR jets face against all-aspect missile carriers such as A-10 and A-6E, Su-25.

I’d agree with that. 10.7 is a pretty safe BR right now since you don’t have to see the 12.0s. But it still doesn’t negate the fact that the IIIC is in need of a downtier with the amount of all aspect missiles it sees every single game with no flares to counter. Imo nothing without flares needs to see all aspect missiles. Move stuff up down left right I don’t care just get them out of the same games.

Honestly this might be an unpopular opinion but I think the all aspect carriers are more often than not just free kills - yes, they can occasionally third party missile you and I understand how annoying it is I’ve had my fair share of those encounters - but they’re all subsonics and generally have glaring flight model issues (A-10s turn extremely tight but cannot do verticals at the expense of all their energy, 25s are very heavy and the A-6 is also very bricked especially with its roll rate for what it is etc), and if you either engage the very frontline or just fly above them to flank them they’re usually just cannon fodder from my experience at least.

If you meet them in a head on I do understand that part since the only other option you have is a front aspect missile joust, and I also do agree that the Mirage IIIC seems fine at 10.3, but I would nevertheless still disagree with the all aspects essentially ‘ruining’ matches for 10.0-10.3s, even ones without flares, if you just play around them ever so slightly (less effort than trying to dogfight competent jets, imo, not to mention you bag one or two more free kills)

IIIC should be 10.0 just like the IIICJ is. They are similar enough. One missile has longer range the other has better short range performance.

The worst thing to me that is the C and the E are at the same BR.

I should be 10.0 because it haven’t flare and RWR, it is a huge gap between the C and the E…

the E has flares and a better engine, the two should 100% be different BRs
No clue if thats 10.0/10.3 or 10.3/10.7 tho lol

Mirage IIIE also is heavier and longer. It is fine at 10.3 but Mirage IIIC should be 10.0 just like Mirage IIICJ the only difference is Magic I which tehse days is not as incredible at that Br as it used to be, certainly no reason for a Br increase.

3 Likes

This is ignoring how the 3C has a much better FM than the 3E (going by what good french pilots tell me)

This is ignoring how the 3C has a much better FM than the 3E (going by what good french pilots tell me)

(reposted so you see it)

I spaded both and didn’t noticed that (RB). I’ll look better next time.

Btw, flare, RWR and CCIP (I forgot about this earlier) are more important to me than some maneuverability.

We already have F8E (FN) who haven’t flare at same BR than other variant (with flare) at 10.0, this make the plane tricky to use (I spaded it too) but no flare at 10.3 is insane…

I agree that I’d rather have that, but it isn’t a full upgrade is what I was saying. Some people do prefer the 3C for that reason

So I compared both, the IIIC has only 0.8m/s more climbrate. Both turnrate are 28s. IIIE has a more powerful jet engine, like 350kgf more thrust at ~1300km/h but only 20kgf more at 0km/h. The IIIC is 1029kg lighter than the IIIE, so it has a better Thrust Weight Ratio.

In my opinion, there is no point to keep them at same BR anyway.

Let compare IIIC to IIIE

Climb : 140m/s VS 139.2m/s
Turn : 28s VS 28s
Thrust (~1300km/h) : 8253kgf VS 8603kgf
Thrust (0km/h) : 6090kgf VS 6110kgf
Weight (with 8min fuel) : 6900kg VS 7929kg
TWR (~1300km/h and 8min fuel) : 1.20 VS 1.09
CCIP/CCRP (C/B/R) : No VS Yes
RWR : No VS Yes
Flare/Chaff : No VS Yes

Are you comparing stat cards? If so, don’t.