I’ve made a previous post about the Mirage 400 being no longer playable back in June due to the introduction of Fox-3s. And now with the F-15E/I and Su-34 at times, or just the generally high amount of players playing 13.7, is causing it, and even some other jets, to be unplayable due to matchmaking favoring higher BRs (Not sure how it works but I generally get 13.7 games in it and barely any downtiers)
Now, I know the Mirage 4000 is an excellent aircraft for being the missile thrower having played it for some time in both Air and even Ground (Before the F-16AM was added), and it has its perks. However, it has its flaws against many top-tier jets.
My solution? Well, increasing the BRs for Fox-3 capable aircraft to be higher. Perhaps Have the best fighters like Su-27SM, F-15E/I at a BR of 14.3, others at 13.0 that do have Fox-3s but aren’t as quite competitive (MiG-29SMT, the new JA37DI, F.3 Tornado Late, etc.) at BR 14.0, and the rest like the Harriers with Fox-3s be at 13.3 due to their respective disadvantages
Asking the Mirage 4000 to go down to 12.7 with the current BRs would be like putting the Belgian F-16A with AIM-9Ms back at its old BR, and having its IRCCM IR missiles dominating the matches all over again.
Idk, there’s good planes out there, but the more advanced we get into jets, the worse some become worthless to research into when you have more viable options, killing the fun in playing different vehicles that require certain playstyles.
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8 meta missiles, a meta airframe, great countermeasures & RWR.
Also you forgot to mention the F-15C/JM.
Also the Su-27SM is the 2nd worst 13.7 in the game.
There are BR solutions, however the first one is moving the best BVR buses to 14.0: F-15C/JM/E/I, and Su-34.
Some 13.0s need to move up as well, and maybe the Mirage 4000 joins them or maybe it doesn’t.
One thing I do know is that complaining about the Mirage 4000 isn’t the solution to this problem.
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Everyone has different experiences and play styles but my experience with the M4K has been mostly positive. Sure uptiers suck but it’s more than capable in them. You have to play it like a rat and introduce people to the wrong side of your Magic II when they aren’t paying attention. For a little more front aspect action R.530D barrel stuffs are quite effective.
Your proposal for decompression needs some work though.
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That’s fair. And that’s why I said its a good jet with its flaws because of what it has. I’m not saying we should move it down, but there needs to be some level of balance because this plane is comparable to the SU-27 (Which is at 13.0 atm of posting) because both are meta missile trucks with what they got, albeit R-27ERs are far superior to 530Ds.
I have yet to play the Su-27SM, and I’m currently researching the tree for it right now. And yeah I should’ve said the the F-15C and F-15JM as well, but was listing some off the top of my head since almost every nation has the same jet in some way (Italy , Britian, and Sweden having Grippens for example)
Could it be moved to say 13.3 in future BR changes? Yeah because it would then be Seal clubbing 12.0s (Which would be fun but that will also break the game as well)
I may have a bad angle to this situation possibly, but I can’t be the only one looking at this with one jet they love being clubbed by Fox-3s that shouldn’t face them.
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Yeah the BR decompression may be bad, but its to try and separate Fox-3s from other aircraft that don’t have them or even the range to engage them at long range
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That’s understandable, theres just a few aircraft that cause most of the problem when it comes to top tier compression. I almost feel bad killing J-11As, they certainly don’t deserve to be 14.3.
Overall the M4K is a fantastic plane in a not so fantastic scenario, that shouldn’t be a turn off for playing it though as I have a ton of fun no matter the match I am in.
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Yep, Mirage 4000- great plane. Just sucks now that when you get into the gritty of it, 1/2 to 2/3 of the enemy or your team are gone because of Fox-3s, and its either you get nothing, or 1 kill, or being chased mercilessly by people lobbing their missiles at you like its a Bukkake session.
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Interesting word choice…
What I do in a 13.7 match is take off without afterburner and cruise in low and behind my team, if I can get terrain cover I always will use it as much as I can. Once the radar missile spam is over I try to find someone who is tunnel visioned on another opponent (not to point fingers but the names of those fighters normally start with F). I then gain as much speed as possible in my attack on them and try to make it so they don’t even know what hit them. Making yourself an unattractive target is key at this time, try to maintain a semi-defensive posture to any enemies around you and pop a few CMs to make yourself seem very alert. Rinse and repeat from there.
Well my word choice may be foul, but its my way of trying to explain what its like to be poor fool stuck fighting 3-5 enemies at once.
And I usually do that strat, except I try to dart for the flanks most don’t take, and get behind the enemy when the first people going in are now going guns or flying towards such.
Let them get into fighting, get behind, and let loose
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You got 8 missiles for a reason ;)