The Su-30SM already has an excellent radar. Is the R-77M in service? R-37Ms are cool, i’ll give you that. They will probably me better AIM-54s but now the devs will acutally listen to the bug reports on it
It’s also the pilot work load, you are trying to guide a Brimstone to kill that Pantsir. While other CAS aircraft and even Strela and Ocelots are a threat to you. With the new SAMs and the ability to smash low flying targets Typhoon and Brimstone combo may need to go on the shelf.
However we have derailed long enough :)
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It’s true, but it’s important to talk about this because it’s also about performance.
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It has been tested thats enough for employment and US/NATO and Chinese mains will have superior missiles to Russia
So for “balance” R-77M will be needed vs PL-12/15 and 120D )maybe Meteors
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The CM is already nerfed to hell, and its MAW actually isn’t the best compared to Optical MAW.
Despite it’s stated as “5 KM”, Optical MAW actually can detect missile more than 5 KM, that really makes the differences with Rangefinder MAW that are only effective at 9 KM nothing more.
The only thing EFT edge over Rafale is, also citing your argument, IMO is its AtG Armament then, since FM wise and Avionics wise, Typhoon is inferior to Rafale. It didn’t have good Supercruise, BOL chaff is nerfed to hell, its radar pretty much just glorified Shar Radar, it has bad lift despite it should pretty much perform way closer to Rafale.
I know it’s just a game, but again, if we don’t push the issues, then it would become obsolute, I take F-16AM for example, its MAW should be able to carry missile, but since pretty much that aircraft popularity is dead, Gaijin wouldn’t bother to giving it.
Some extra: Large Calibre Chaff really overpowered compared to BOL, it produces the highest luminosity, the only downside is that it don’t have as much as BOL. For me at least, to kill a Rafale, you must spam a missile to force Rafale dumping all its chaff, and this is pretty common during the early days of Storm Warning, but Idk why people tend to less spam missile to Rafale, making Rafale going at 10 KM and then shoot everything up.
Have you thought about the fact that these ‘Nerfs’ could just be for now? For example, the BOL pods are not bad, you just have to use them properly, and 5km of warning for IR missiles is enough, what do you need more for? If the missiles that are in the air are older than me? The Eurofighters in the game are the latest versions, over time their qualities will be improved as needed, the same goes for the Rafale and other planes, remember that the F-16 C also started with little and today has aim-120, the game evolves, but that’s why I’m in favour of only releasing planes when you can give them their full weapons capacity.
Model numbers mean nothing if the features arent correctly modelled or implemented :(
Typhoon really just needs a few fixes or a newer version added with an AESA radar.
That’s right, but it means that aircraft can be given these capabilities over time, just to say that there are a lot of things that are limited for some reason. Because if not, the game is completely destroyed
Not to mention that AESA in today’s Warthunder, whether it has it or not, isn’t very important. It’s still very badly implemented.
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I have it on good authority from a Russian bug-reporter that Su-35 will be even heavier than Su-27SM. So take that into consideration.
Well, I don’t say it’s not enough, I’m only saying it that Optical MAW are far more superior than Rangefinder MAW, that makes Rafale have edge over than EFT again.
Well it’s quite bad for closer engagement, but I agree it’s not completly bad since in longer engagement it still work, IMO BOL Pods only better in Gripen because it has 4 while Typhoon only had 2.
Agree, but that doesn’t make anyone complaining it irrelevant, gatekeeping wouldn’t solve the problem, that’s why I always welcome for any complaint (in each own thread) but not for the cope, Typhoon is underpowered in AtA power, and that thing also need to be considered also.
This is understatement, AESA still pretty good, and don’t get me wrong, if Typhoon already received AESA, it would be way more powerful than Rafale because you could just lob any target and just sit and wait before the missiles reach the target. Especially with manual targeting mode.
It’s going to have better thrust to weight than the 27s but worse thrust to weight than the 27sm. And it will be 19500 kgs. So, much better straight line acceleration, but much more compression
Don’t get me wrong, but do you have any aircraft with AESA?
Yes I do, you can check my War Thunder Profile for my accountability.
Rafale is pretty overpowered in current meta at least in Air RB.
OK, I see, you’ve only got the Rafale. But anyway, as I said, with experience of squadron battles and ground battles, I still have the opinion that both fighters are excellent and have their objectives and I don’t think it’s overpowered at all, it simply does its job better than the Eurofighter, which is more designed for multirole in the game. I think that for you, if you’re interested, it’s about increasing your experiences, getting out of the air realist bubble and perhaps adapting to your way of playing and seeing the game. I just hope you don’t take me the wrong way because if you look at it, you’ve only started with a rafale, it’s simply broken and the eurofighter is weak and now you’re changing, so
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Does he have an exact number by any chance? I’ve been seeing many sources stating it should be 18600kg or all the way up to 19500kg, as Kizvy mentioned, kinda confusing tbh…
(Talking about empty weight btw)
All he said was about 19t
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I also have EFT, I understand the pain using EFT in Air RB, but again, if compared to Rafale Vs EFT exclusively, yes it’s underpowered, but in general, EFT still pretty “Stand” against other enemies, especially the British EFT (since Britain always team up with France so guranteed win).
No problem, I just thought you were the sweaty one lol, I take your criticism well since I don’t really play Ground much and only have Britain in Ground Top Tier. I sucks at Ground ngl, that’s why I also said, I can’t argue with you anymore regarding Ground RB.
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more like 60° because that’s the radar limit
Yeah I’m overstate it, but you get the point, launching it from gimbal limit.
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You don’t need to play ground, just try to join the squadron that does squadron battles and play air.
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