The MICA EM should have its range fixed due to the addition of AIM-120C-5 in the game on multiple platforms

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I only point out that this kind of scenario is pretty rare, while in other aircraft I could do this more often especially if the target are stupid Flanker that climb too high. I get more 35+ KM kills from Typhoon especially the high warhead of AMRAAM, makes AMRAAM far more reliable in defeating multipathing enemies, I play Typhoon almost like Rafale, zooming and run especially with Typhoon having BOL I have more freedom dropping more chaff than Rafale.

That’s why I said it we’ll probably wouldn’t see another Rafale/MICA buff since the unlimited gimbal itself already a good buff.

I understand the unrealistic drag of Typhoon and that’s why I also point out that the problem with current state of Rafale, is we (as French Player, but I also play Britain though lol) didn’t receive MICA fix, instead, what we got is Rafale FM Buff, which is good to compensate the lack of range of MICA, BUT because of this, the powercreep is way more crazier because no other aircraft that match Rafale top speed, especially Typhoon that are by common sense are way faster than Rafale at top speed instead get nerfed. If Rafale retain its low top speed, while having MICA fixed (instead of MICA unfixed, but its FM fixed), Rafale would still be a contender but pretty much equal also because of the common sense, Rafale focus on maneuverability, while Typhoon focus on speed. In current meta, unironically Rafale becoming Typhoon while Typhoon is just glorified Gripen.

I played Typhoon too, but mostly to compensate the problem, I always dive whenever trying to turn hard so the speed bleed would be compensated, since the edge Typhoon had is the way more higher VnE than Rafale. What I get infuriated is:

Typhoon gets this, while Rafale don’t. In a good scenario, both aircraft should receive its supercruise abilities, not just Rafale only receiving it like we have now. The documentation regarding Rafale supercruise capabilities was pretty well documented, so I don’t understand why there’s a slander towards French Bug Reporter getting “Insider Report” from Dassault, etc.

This post is just a preemptive attempt to push the fix, and I don’t see any problem with this post along with other Typhoon preemptive attempt to push the fix. Pushing the MICA fixes would also eventually pushing Gaijin to buff the EFT and other aircraft.

And if MICA range still not fixed, then it’s fait accompli, at least the French Player have tried. It’s Gaijin fault to not address the problem of Typhoon, not the French Player.

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I’m really not and wont be against the MICA or French aircraft having realistic performance and weapon systems.

I do think Rafale like Typhoon doesnt need buffs to weapon systems but needs corrections.
I dont agree with the 120C addition if it meant Typhoon would have it’s Radar reworked and it’s drag coefficient/fm tweaked unfortunately it’s eaisier to just add a new missile.

It’s good to have someone who has and uses both aircraft and not have any biases against either nation.

If I had more time I would have grinded out the Rafale just dont have the energy to do it ha ha

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Thanks, because there’s so many cope in this thread that wouldn’t make Typhoon eventually get fixed.

Because, from the early release, Typhoon and Rafale was pretty much equal with their respective flaw, Typhoon have bad radar but good top speed, while Rafale got good radar, bad top speed. Thanks to Gaijin ignoring the ask for MICA getting fixed, what we got is the unwanted powercreep for Rafale with its unncessary buff, and somehow Typhoon get another nerf.

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Yes really, one has 10 missiles and the other has 8 for air-to-air, but the problem starts when it comes to ground, one still has 10 missiles and can destroy 12 tanks and the other has 6 and can only destroy 7, do you want it to continue? this is a game not a simulator

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I have both and I can say that they have different objectives in the warthunder, the rafale much more Air to Air, even though it has fewer missiles and another for a complete multi role, it is simple, the balancing cannot be done thinking only in one mode or another. This isn’t to say that I’m in favor or not of increasing MICA’s capacity in the game, but as the game currently stands, there’s no point in talking about nerfs to Eurofighters because they make sense when you look at the overall gameplay.

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Gaijin gameplay choices are questionable Rafale was already excellent and it has receieved consistent buffs. Which is fine however the Rafale is now incredible and it’s rivals are weaker.
The problem Rafale has is Gaijin will need to change somethings or even when the other “big hitters 4.5gen” are added the Su-35S and the F-15EX etc the Rafale will still absoulutely dominate them.

I have as said have no issues with Rafale and Typhoon being incredible.

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Their rivals are not weaker, they have different game objectives, as I said the rafale can only be really excellent air to air, but when you look at the ground things change a lot. At least as it stands in the game, I’d like to repeat. That’s the problem with these debates, because they only talk about missiles against missiles and air to air and forget about the rest.

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I don’t see how su35 is supposed to perform better, and f15ex well is an f15 so it’s a different aircraft compared to a rafale/eurofighter.

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Well that’s a ground problem, I don’t think this is very relevant to the discussion since most of this discussion are talking about Air Battle meta.

But, regarding this, EFT already come in a super nerfed position, you know we don’t have ARH Brimstones for a reason. So the FM nerf wasn’t fully justified tbh, especially regarding the supercruise capabilities. If Rafale can have it, why does EFT can’t have it? If Rafale (simplified) supercruise capabilities was unrealistic, they shouldn’t implemented it from the first time and instead should fix the MICA, but here we are.

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Su-35 will be no diffrent from the 30SM. The EX on one hand, it will be a slightly more manuverable F-15E with more power than the C. It would be the best all-rounder, in my opinion. 360 countermeasures. A lot of A/G ordnance. 12 A/A missiles. Potentially the best radar at topt tier?? You get the idea. The EFT can carry 18 MMW brimstones (but gaijin plays hard to get). My beloved F-15 can carry 28 JAGM-Fs. Pretty much a brimstone with i guess 20 km range or something

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Any change in the air to air, impact on the ground, and a lot in squadron battle and anyway the brimstones are laser guided , but they’re fast, smokeless and you can carry 12 without losing missiles , the rafale, carries 6 hammer which are slow and anyone can see them or gbus, do you want me to continue?

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Well I couldn’t disagree with you more since I rarely play Ground RB, but I understand the contrast between EFT and Rafale in Ground and Air.

But again, I stand with both side in Air, EFT really underpowered compared to Rafale alone (that doesn’t mean EFT is the weakest 14.0).

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They are in terms of real world performance, Su-35S and F-15EX are very good but they are legacy designs.

Typhoon with it’s AESA Radar and Meteor would in many cases be superior to either airframe.
Rafale is at that level now all it is really missing is it’s incredible protection suite, Meteor and MICA IR or (NG)

I dont think it’s fair to nerf Rafale and Typhoon to allow Russian designs to catch up…But I do also understand that if the F-15 is not competitive Gaijin will want to add F-22 and Gen 5 airframes.

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I dont want to go into the Brimstone and the numbers debate as they are used in a very different way and they force Typhoon to fly closer and lower to the threats and the ground.

A Rafale with ASSM is never at risk from a 2S38 a Typhoon is.

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I’m not arguing that the rafale is better than the Eurofighter in air to air, but I just want to make you realise that this is necessary in view of the bigger picture, since any change can affect the overall gameplay, and it’s not as if the Eurofighter is useless against the rafale, it’s just play to counter the rafale.

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35 Kinematically should be on a par with the Eurocanards and have have an excellent Radar but will it get R-77M or R-37Ms…

JAGM-F essentially operates like a Brimstone but has added IR guidance and with mmW not modelled the JAGM-F would be far better in game than the Brimstone 1-2

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It’s a valid point, but one gives you a chance to dodge and the other is much more difficult, but yes, the Eurofighter’s gameplay is in some ways more risky than the RAFALE. But that’s also why one has more countermeasures and engine power.

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The Su-30SM already has an excellent radar. Is the R-77M in service? R-37Ms are cool, i’ll give you that. They will probably me better AIM-54s but now the devs will acutally listen to the bug reports on it

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It’s also the pilot work load, you are trying to guide a Brimstone to kill that Pantsir. While other CAS aircraft and even Strela and Ocelots are a threat to you. With the new SAMs and the ability to smash low flying targets Typhoon and Brimstone combo may need to go on the shelf.

However we have derailed long enough :)

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It’s true, but it’s important to talk about this because it’s also about performance.

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