like 15km traveled
so for ~20km shots or further
no its not
Okay so there may actually be a merit in taking both types, thankyou.
According to Statshark, from a 10km alt launch at M1.0 vs a co-alt, co-speed target at 60km. roughly around 15km, with the TTI being around 2s faster for the 120C-5.
At 5km alt M1.0 launched at 30km, it overtakes the 120A at around 10km, and its TTI is around 0.8s faster.
At 1km alt M1.0 vs a 15km target, it overtakes the 120A moments before impact, and the TTI is around 0.1s faster.
That being said, take that with a grain of salt, I was comparing in-game missile tests I’d performed to statshark numbers and it was wrong on both TTI and impact velocity, so somethings likely wrong with their simulation. Its probably close enough for comparison sake tho. The 120C-5 is likely to be ever so slightly better than the 120A in long range performance as it currently stands, to the point where its mostly a placebo.
Its also possible (tho I havent tested this, its just a hypothesis considering the nerfs they recently gave it) that the 120C-5 will actually be a worse missile in-game, as it improves marginally on long range performance, seemingly at the expense of short range performance, which is the biggest issue with the 120A in-game.
This whole thread was really making a mountain out of a molehill to try to justify more buffs for the already uncontested best plane in-game, surprise surprise.
Can’t wait for next updates dev thread when the french mains go for attempt number 3 🙄
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Maybe third time’s the charm.
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Shouldn’t 120C-5 just be hands down better though?
I’m not sure. It yields range and motor improvements but that would not necessitate a faster time to target, the booster profile could still be different. E.G Meteors throttleable booster with a cruise profile allows it to achieve a higher range than many other comparably sized missiles.
I read somewhere that China managed to software update Pakistans PL-15E’s and tweak their booster profile to ‘unlock’ an extra 30% range, this would increase the time to target for a closer target. No idea of how true that is, but you get the point.
Range is not correlated firmly with time to target is my understanding.
I say both as i’d rather have the ability to use the faster missile that will hit first at all points of my engagement.
Thankyou for the (very haha) comprehensive help.
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Id be surprised if a software update was able to change the motors thrust profile, as rocket motor thrust profiles are quite literally physically engrained in the propellant to my understanding.
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Its possible that the software update provided a more optimized loft profile, or the ability to vary guidance profiles better, which could net a significant improvement in range.
Case in point, these are impact velocity and TTI over range curves for the AIM-54C seen in-game with various loft profiles that I made a while back.
Simply changing the loft profile of the AIM-54C was able to net a ~46% increase in impact velocity during an 80km launch under said launch conditions, with no other changes to the missile, so its not outlandish to believe a software update to the missile could reach significantly longer ranges via adjustments to loft profile.
The loft profiles seen in-game are generally atrocious it seems. I somewhat intend to do a more comprehensive loft profile test across more missiles in the future, including the MICA and the other ARH missiles, though seeing as we dont actually have any irl missiles loft profiles, its effectively impossible to convince gaijin to change them.
french mains with the best plane and fox3 in the game when a worse 120A is added
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It’s normal to expect that gaijin will fix the aim 120c5 everything in this dev server is still pretty much wip and i still don’t see the point, amram will never do what a mica does, they will only perform better in range.
Not sure why you’d expect that when it was literally better than it is now. Its seeker an maneuverability both got nerfed during this dev server. Only the MICA is allowed to have a good seeker apparently.
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AIM-120E will share a seeker with the AIM-120A in war thunder
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Can we stop this wishful thinking mindset that consist of ‘Gaijin will fix stuff’ when they deliberately nerf smth in the dev server?
This. Both seeker and performance got touched in two separate patches, i’d love to have that optimism of yours, but it’s clear that Gaijin’s intentions with the missile is to be another gimped ARH to NATO but with a slightly better motor.
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wrong thread ?
MICA’s range seems fine.
French Players act like it can’t hit a target past 15km but it pretty quickly hits a target from 35km…
(No, it doesn’t matter if the F-15E in the clip defended or not. At that range you can easily dodge any missile. It’s about the capability to hit him, which the MICA has. For the all round best ARH missile in the game that has an apparent shortcoming when it comes to range, that seems pretty good…)
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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/3EJG7s3lbGMe
Seems to me that the AIM-120C-5 will remain as it is now, so, everybody can stop crying about it.
The MICA supremacy will remain
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It kinda does matter if he defended though. An AIM-120 would hit through some light cranking and diving, MICA would run out of energy and start falling out of the sky. It’s hilariously easy to accidentally defeat a MICA launched outside of the NEZ, which is already artificially made smaller.
The problem with your line of thinking is you think the MICA is exclusive in those problems.
The fact the MICA got there that quickly means otherwise. And what the AMRAAM considers “notched” is 50% bigger than what the MICA considers 'notched". So in reality, the MICA will be able to keep that track further into the attempt to defend to secure that kill.
Not exclusive to the MICA in any way shape or form.
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You don’t need to notch a MICA to defeat it, it’s incredibly easy to just wobble the missile out of energy. Best TTI is great until someone decides to do some light defending, or just goes cold in a co-launch scenario. R-77, Derby and MICA will just not have the energy to chase a cold target down, R-77-1 and AIM-120 will.
R-77-1 and AIM-120 can actually go and hit things from a 40km launch if not respected, MICA will fall out of the sky at that distance even if not respected.
Yeah we all know the Derby, R-77 and R-Darter also exist.
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