This basically applies to every nation now. The only other plane that could be used in BVR is the typhoon, but it’s radar is too bad, and it’s missiles will be outclassed now.
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The launching platform is launching it at extreme speeds compared to everything else. (On Average, shots should be taken at Mach 1.5+ for BVR anyway) The Rafale launching a MICA at Mach 1.7 at a 20km target is a excellent probability of kill. With them evading and trying to use countermeasures.
Everyone must keep in mind that this may trigger a domino effect, as the previous AIM-120A is also gimped, in fact most of ARH AAMs are gimped. the process of fixing them would make early ARH slingers quite powerful.
That said, i fully agree on MICAs getting their proven paper stats.
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In fact, the MICA is used in the game at medium ranges, where it performs very well. Is there any point in changing its parameters?
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I find it a fair thing to ask for a boost on its effective range, being able to get slightly above medium ranges would make it a very unique missile.
16 km isn’t really medium range but that’s subjective.
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Even as someone who tends to engage with air to ground in a su 30 with little fondness for air to air, at 20km, MICA is quite comfortable to defeat with basic evasive maneuvers and a few chaff drops. If it’s hitting folk at that range, it’s on account of them deciding to commit to bad paths.
At 15km it becomes dicey, but at 20km it is just as annoying as the rest of the AAMs being slung at that range. Arguably less so than others aside R77, as it has lost the vast majority of its energy at that point and any maneuvers will kill the last hope it has of connecting.
I agree with this, the mica, aam4, and pl12 were all nerfed so they would be balanced against the aim120a/b. Now that the c has been added there’s no reason for them to stay in their nerfed state.
Not sure why you singled out the mica though, no reason not to fix all three.
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In this game, some things rarely work well. Is it worth messing with them? I think the Rafale is one of the most balanced planes in the game. In my opinion, it’s better not to draw the developers’ attention to it. =)
Thread was created by French players for a French missile. If you want threads for others, feel free to make them.
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I mean it’s fair enough, others can be in the same state as long as it’s not derailing this thread.
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Why would you NOT get support for a common cause which is underperforming missiles getting fixed?
lol
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Yeah, not saying they shouldn’t be fixed. But thread’s for mica because mica is directly relevant to the player interest that created the thread. I think it all should be pretty accurate, but best course is to create threads for each missile than make a mess of a single thread.
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There’s three missiles that all got the same treatment, only arguing on behalf of one doesn’t make sense.
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20-25 km is the most comfortable range for launching the MICA. In fact, the plane itself, with its characteristics, is designed for close and medium-range combat. Well, that’s my subjective opinion.
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Because it creates a mess regarding organisation. I am not opposed to them getting fixed, but it’s generally better to point explicitly to the fault than “all these things are bad” as that allows for things to be missed.
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I would have been inclined to include the other missiles such as AAM-4 and PL-12 if there were existing acknowledged reports for their missing ranges, unfortunately I don’t think any exist, otherwise feel free to drop the link here. In the thread above the MICA EM’s missile has a report open on it and the link was included.
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Sadly yes and we can’t realy do anything about it.
If it is correcly backed-up and enought people show that they care about it it can be worth. If you look at the french 330mm AP shell, it is one of the biggest win of the naval comunity. So it might be worth, but we would have to really think about it and be carefull about how thing are presented.
Yes they tend to break stuff even more when they try to fix them.
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Fortunately for France, the Gripen already took the main brunt of their ire regarding Eurodeltas. For the most part, enough pressure will get things fixed when they deem it sensible. They’d be hard pressed to take a hatchet to it after what they did to Gripen 😿
Thanks to the efforts of folk like @DirectSupport, they would be hard pressed to break this. Too many documents.
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R.I.P. that guy, sacrificed for a greater good (just kidding it is one of the saddest nerf i ever saw).
Thank god their are people like im in the comunity. Idk were we would be if they weren’t here to save stuff from utter annahilation.
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