The M26 Pershing belongs at 6.3 (Ground RB)

Please be respectful toward other players.

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i can easily solo a m26 its not hard in a tiger did it all the time

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m26 should replace where sherman jumbo sits at 6.3 and move down the 76 jumbo to 6.0 as 76 jumbo is no different from panthers all we need to do is artfically buff german player skill at low tier as its horrible playing germany

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Even if that’s the case it does not matter. The M26 is very much just better than the Tiger, it’s not its competitor.

You not having difficulty facing an M26 when you’re in the Tiger doesn’t change the fact that the M26 is a better tank, by far.

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it is the whole point of m26 was to counter german armor a panther can fold a m26 like a omlet same with a tiger only problem is average skill at this br range

the difference between tiger and m26 is not that big

How is it not?

tiger 1 has better mobility than the m26 and smoke can just pop smoke and flank or it can if in a urban enviorement counter it by side scraping the tigers 1 gun can also pen many spots on the m26

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while the m26 is better not imposible to counter just as uptiers should be

countering m26 often reminds me of russian t72s vs leo 1s just shoot lower plate and it dies

Except it doesn’t?
The Tiger E has marginally better hp/ton (Tiger H1 has worse), but the distribution of gear ratios on the M26 is extremely good.
When it comes to straight line acceleration on a good road (like the Cargo Port map), the M26 has slight edge at lower speeds (for example, 12 and 14 seconds to reach 35 km/h), but past that the Tiger E catches up, so in the end both tanks take 25 seconds to reach 45 km/h, except the M26 can accelerate past that into 48 km/h.

The Tiger loses out in reverse speed, so the only thing the Tiger has over the M26 is neutral steering but neutral steering in these tanks (Tigers and Panthers) is not fast.

This is why I said the M26 has arguably better overall mobility than the Tiger.

I never said it was impossible to counter. What I’m saying is that the M26 is noticeably better than the Tiger, to the point where it’s not a competitor to the Tiger. It is far easier to kill a Tiger in the M26 than vice versa.

Except the short 88 can only reliably penetrate the M26 lower glacis when firing at the exposed corners. Shooting the middle can more often than not lead to non-penetration, specially if firing the higher explosive content Pzgr round. Even against the lower plate you have to aim for specific weakspots.

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the regular 88 has no problem with that your thinking of the T26-E5 which you must shoot corners you can shoot anywhere on lower plate in m26

I am not talking about the T26E5. The armor of the M26 is something I have tested a lot, so unless something has changed I am very certain of what I’ve said.

overall tiger 1 feels far more mobile in play style than the m26 ive spaded both and the m26 definently feels less mobile at most tasks

I’ll be completely honest, I don’t care for “feeling”.

I’ve actually tested this stuff, looking at videos that I have recorded frame by frame to determine when the tanks started accelerating and at what time they reached different speeds. The Tiger E is not more mobile than the M26.

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ive fought and played every tech tree tiger variant and i can say its not immpossible to counter as its litterlly the counter to the tiger 1 and panther the whole reason it was made was to replace m4 sherman which was not sufficient to fight tigers and panthers hence a counter

That I agree. The M26 isn’t impossible to take out in the Tiger, and I never said it was. Again, all I’m saying is that the M26 is not a “competitor” to the Tiger, it is a noticeably better tank. If the M26 were impossible for the Tiger to counter, I’d have to pretend I’ve never been killed in the M26 by a Tiger, or that I’ve never killed an M26 in a Tiger, neither of which is actually true.

If I say that the M4A3 (76) is better than the Pz.IV H, that doesn’t mean that the M4A3 (76) is impossible for the Pz.IV H to take out, it just means that the M4A3 (76) has a much easier time to take out the Pz.IV H than otherwise.

If a tank is made to counter another tank, doesn’t that mean that it is meant to be better than the other tank?

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that makes it its competitor the counter to the tiger 1 and panther is the M26 while yes its weaker its not unkillable just as killable as sherman jumbo

while the tiger 1 has a disadvantage the panther can match the m26 in fire power and armor frontally at least

which is why it should be 6.3 unlike the tiger 1 which a m26 can counter the m26 has a massive disadvantage to the TIGER 2 which it cant do anything against specifically the Henschel model
only can pen it with apcr frontally and apcr is weak