Not easy. Bad France is integral to spaghetti code. 😿
I mean grinding through China was pain already, but I survived. I remember trying to push through with ZTZ99A without APFSDS, that was…
Since reports for FCS are being acknowledged:
I present ones for the Leclerc:
The first report is pretty boring, nothing that special. The second one is rather spicy though:
Basically, within the acquisition envelope of IRIS TGS (i.e., when in gunner or commander view), up to 15 targets would be automatically designated to the player and a ballistic solution would be provide to the player for each target. Figure 1 shows a top-down view of the acquisition envelope for the SXXI commander sight for visual purposes:
This is late 90s era French technology btw. Funny to think that Abrams to this day still lack automatic tracking - something the French were testing out in 1986 on the Mulet Système Complet.
Next, I’ll probably rewrite the top speed report. There’s some new sources.
Spoiler
The diagram of the Leclerc depicted isn’t actually an SXXI. But ignore that xD
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CV90s crying in the corner lmao
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Both are suggestions to be made on the forum. These features do not exist currently in game for MBTs.
Out of curiosity… is hot points detection something the devs would ever consider introducing since not all countries will have an analogue?
And could you not forward hot points detection to the devs anyway? It would actually be a meaningful buff to the Leclercs as well as provide proper distinction between variants which are otherwise all modelled almost identically - the latter being an issue the devs seem to really be struggling with.
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Features are being expanded for the game all the time. So suggestions are always welcome for more,
This however is not something we can forward via a report on the CBR site, as is neither a bug nor a historical issue within the features and framework we have in the game.
Its suggesting new mechanics not currently represented in game. Thus, this should be a forum proposal.
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Will this apply to future vehicles too? What if the EBRC Jaguar were to be introduced? Most of its potential capabilities come from mechanics not present in game and which countries have no analogue for. Would various mechanics such as acoustic gunshot detectors, 360° automatic target detection cameras and 4th generation thermal imaging be things that would have to go through forum suggestions? My concern is that a lot of French vehicles will lose potential capabilities because the idea of others’ nations that they like to play not having access to these sorts of mechanics would be unpopular. And realistically, there are countries which will never have access to such mechanics for the foreseeable future.
It would be beneficial if the report could be forwarded so the devs would at least consider it. And really, this is almost 30 year old technology, War Thunder is introducing vehicles which aren’t even service yet. It would be a good stepping stone.
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What if the EBRC Jaguar were to be introduced?
Surely it’s nearly ready to go on live, a question of when rather than if, r-right guys? ;^]
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lol by that logic every modern or so MBT has that.
that’s kind of the point
Automatic tracking? Yes. That’s why it’s pretty boring.
Automatic target detection (ATD)? No, not really:
- Latest Russian tanks don’t possess this to my knowledge (though for whatever reason France gave them the technology lol)
- Abrams FCS is dogshit and worse than a T-90M or T-80BVM
- Leopard 2 never got around to automatic target detection AFAIK
- Challenger 2 FCS is arguably an even bigger pile of dogshit than the Abrams
- Challenger 3 does possess automatic target detection and recognition curtesy of the French
- Merkavas don’t possess this AFAIK
- Italians… well who even knows
- Japanese would have it
So “every modern or so MBT” isn’t entirely accurate. Anyway… cue the replies from angry British and American mains
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Didnt Usa upgraded Abrams FCS with SEP program? IIRC it should be par on latest gen tanks.
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Ah no im not expecting them to be par on French Tanks considering they have different doctrine in tank battles but i thought starting with SEPV2 they were better than Russian tanks.
SEP v4 would’ve upgraded the FCS. But I’ve never seen anything for the SEP v2 or SEP v3 being upgraded.
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I see.
I always considered Leclerc,Type-10 and K2’s as a spear of the NATO forces so it makes sense them to have better FCS while Abrams,Merkava’s and Leopards be heavy shield and Challengers as for the last line.
As for Ariete’s, well its Ariete at the end of day but considering what i think i believe it suits Us doctrine to not upgrade FCS to latest gen until SEPV4.
It’s really that the US are losing their knowledge of building tanks. Aside from the armor and engine, most of the vital components are getting outsourced as time goes by, from German guns since the arrival of 120mm to French optics and FCS in their newer projects.
This is partly due to the US government not knowing what they want. US ground armor procurement has been a shitshow in the last few decades, with the M10 booker being the epitome of it, changing the requirements every odd day, ending with industrials not knowing what to do
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T-90S tanks with some T-80UM tanks (for example Cyprus ones) have been shipped with ESSA or Plisa sights in late 1990s, both carrying Catherine-FC as well.
Those are, AFAIK, only present in export models. This is something that has happen in the post-cold war period, where Russia has exported tanks that are simply better than what they could afford for their own armies