The way a Russian CAS mind pretty much summarised to “us vs them” mentality when they got Gaijin to produce one of the worst offenders of WUNDERWAFFE and an overperforming crutch when other nation is stuck with abysmal dogshit (R-77-1 and AMRAAM A-B) in big 2025 is clearly an interesting hook to wider psychological research to how a supporter of an aggressor in a trust-based society works.
Arrange that “flight with Putin to fire 38MT and get a direct view on how the seeker works, how the image quality present itself in the MFD, differences of MT seeker and other older IR ATGM seeker, and it’s actual flight performance, hit rate and failure rate in a perfect weather condition” if you think you are so correct to begin with.
We already were earlier, and he does have half a point. There are some people in this thread who jump on the barest crumb of speculation to say it doesn’t exist and will refuse to entertain anything short of the damn thing falling through their roof before even beginning to entertain the thought they may be wrong. And yes the inverse is also true, and the worst part is both of that kind of commenter doesn’t even bring anything new or interesting to the table just the same bunk again and again.
Again, either convince a VVS depot officer to take a pic of 38MT in the depot or get me a report on 38MT firing test if they can’t arrange a live firing showcase.
Either it exist in VVS inventory, exist as a document that evaluate it’s specification, or it’s a wunderwaffe that only exist as Zhuhai brochure / MAKS mockup.
The problem with war thunder entering the modern age instead of just using museum pieces is that we can start claiming that a lot of kit isn’t real. America\China\UK\Germany is just lying about ___________. Every document? Fabricated. Every photo? A mockup. Weapon tests? Falsified. All elaborate psyops to mislead rivals.
Well you kinda jumping into battle zone with peace offer when niether side is willing to compromise with each other.
And Kh-25MTP probably less real than Kh-38MT which probably will return us in the same situation as now.
Let’s not be hypocrites lads. Sure, the kikka with guns is more real than the kh-38mt as all the parts actually existed, but it should still be removed if it’s not real.
The most damming part about 8k posts is gaijins silence. Its very sad.
Yes, that’s why they buried it in a brochure with dozens of other, already built, items. Considering they’ve been asking for support for years to get the project done, they seem to be pretty invested in the whole thing.
Instead of making it a focal point to bring more attention, they’ve done the complete opposite.
I see you’re making stuff up again. You should really stop that, it’s not a good look.
If they came out and said why they added it, and gave even a crumb of actual evidence of it existing then sure, thats fair enough and while they may be criticised for it (depending on if they’re drawing sweeping conclusions from scant evidence) then that’s something else entirely and will move the conversation on again.
We believe it’s a good addition to the tree which is why we added it → another thread about how Gaijin knows nothing about balance and the missile itself should be nerfed or removed
This is a clear lose-lose situation for Gaijin and they apparently know it.
can we see the “dozens of already built items” from said brochure? no? well I guess they never got support to get it done because there’s 0 actual pictures.
We believe it’s a good addition to the tree which is why we added it → another thread about how Gaijin knows nothing about balance and the missile itself should be nerfed or removed
I see what you’re doing. You’re trying to turn the thread back into a kikka, or f-16aj thing again. Trying to bait me into “That doesn’t match the standards”. We’ve done this dance and you know dammed well what the answer is and yet you persist in building gigantic straw men. You’re not arguing in good faith.
You’re right about one thing though, it is a lose-lose for gaijin. They added a fake weapon and it’s been discovered it’s fake.
They lose if they remove it as that requires work to replace it in the loadouts, marketing media has to be changed (there are youtube videos featuring it), some vehicles have to be re-balanced etc.
They lose if they keep it, at which point their hypocrisy is on display for everyone to see.
The only possible win for gaijin is to nerf the thing into the ground in terms of its seeker and performance, and then say something like “We believe the weapon could exist in short order, and while there is no conclusive proof it exists at the moment we feel it is not unreasonable to keep it in the game in an adjusted state”
Noone gets everything they want, especially me as I’m a purist and want all the fake stuff gone, but life is about compromise.