Yes. It’s what is expected when buying weapon systems. You think you turn up to a show and leave with a truck packed with weapons or something?
Weapon lead times are often measured in years, and it’s made perfectly clear when something isn’t ready early in the negotiations.
IIRC the mockup has been presented in 2017 and 7 years later they’re still waiting for investors ?
Doesn’t make much sense to me.
That’ll be because noone is interested in it.
Yea, that’s what happens. However if a mockup is on a airshow, it is closer to the finished rather than not, that does not mean it is finnished. And ofc situations where systems that did not start any development in, just went out of the drawing board are presented. Companies do not just make a bunch of deadly weapons and hope someone buys them. They work on CONTRACTS. Contract causes something to exist.
I don’t think I understand your question, what do you mean a bigger one?
However yes, it is about Mk. 3 only.
No, but I expect to get it earlier than a decade without paying who knows how much money just to get it developed.
And they’re still trying years after, interesting.
Maybe because unlike the Kh38MT, the Hammer takes significantly longer to hit the target and it’s motor produces smoke giving spaa (some not all) to react.
Don’t get me wrong, the Hammers are the 2nd best but it’s no where near as good as the Kh38.
Yes.
In case of 38, most of them are shown as ME.
No specific versions.
So after years of the MT not gaining any traction, they tried again with a new mockup but once again it failed. Simple as that. ML is selling, so they will keep bringing general ME missile around, hoping someone goes for either ML, MT or MA.
Im going to give you a example.
CAMM missile started it existence in around 2005. It entered service in 2018.
They had a mockup presented in 2017.
I might have phrased it wrong but you got it.
38MTE was just a part of a much bigger brochure that goes on for dozens of pages, presenting who knows how many weapons, which is why it got me interested.
Why would you bury your project that needs funding in between several other options that can take away it’s “spotlight” ?
You might want to make a special brochure for that thing only.
You are thinnking about it the wrong way. They present a wide catalog of weapons, so that they have greater chance of catching attention. It does not matter to them what catches it, what they want is orders.
38 is a modular missile, it can exist perfectly fine without the IR seeker, as Laser one is selling.(this situation assumes the IR seeker does not exist) If a potential customer says that they want exactly 38 with IR seeker, they will say to that customer the seeker is not ready yet, they will need money and time. The customer then might say yes or no. They care about profit, no demand, no supply.
They might bring ME and just state they have multiple options available, as the missile is modular.
Then it’s weird how that adats thing got it’s own brochure.
Not necessarily the case. They are a business and they obviously care about the money.
Not all products have same profit margins.
what dont you get?
brochure(in this case) is basically advertising product
you dont advertise “your best” you advertise everything
just because something is on a brochure and mockups does not make it real and functional
Good example being the 120S marketing material and why so many people think it has the same transmission as Abrams
just say you want to keep dunkin on these non-RU players with non-existence kh-38mt out loud bro u are being illogical rn
yeah and the 120S ingame isnt even fast like how it was intended to
Dude…
Brochures can be general, can be specific…
I can find you Brochure from a company advertising their whole catalog, and i can find brochures specilaized on a certail weapon/vehicle…
Only thing illogical here is you lying about me when you can easily check things you talk about.
Makes absolute no sense to hide your project in a sea of already built projects and seek attention than that way.
I have a feeling you are doing it on purpose and in bad faith.
atleast i would admit wrong if im actually wrong
unlike you
give me what i said wrong and i admit wrong
im not scared to admit something is wrong, its natural
which i dont get why wont you admit the entire you are wrong and you were illogical, its not a hard thing to do
make absolutely no sense to built something u spend so much money for and no one buys it
you dont built stuff before you advertise, especially something that is going to cost a shit tons of money and effort like the 38mt
which so far
its all a mockups
can you PROOF that the mockups from the su-34 in the brochure is a REAL WEAPONS? with REAL BUILT IN SEEKERS? and is actually IN PRODUCTION?
and no u cant make an arguement that “muh its moduler so iz riel”. You cannot say that putting something that has no proof of tested or existing(the IR seekers and sight in short) on something “modular” means that it must be real, thats not how it works
no
you cant
because you dont know urself, u just want to keep it so you can have easy game
If there is one thing military reserach, developement and procurement are good at across countries, history and cultures it’s wasting ungodly amounts of money on shit that goes nowhere.
im pretty sure and 100% RU is more conservative on their money than the US
like u can check things like T-95 teaser, its a mockups
Armata goes somewhere since its probably more sucessful
KH-38MT? maybe not, their IR tech isnt even good, as of now better than before, but nowhere good enough to develop a capable long range IR
i could be wrong but thats what im currently seeing