And we all know which of the prior mentioned owners of the mentioned craft are competent military-wise.
Here’s a hint; Ain’t no Frogfoot winning any competency tests.
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And from what I’ve seen, there’s still nothing that substantiates the existence of the Kh-38MT. A whole lotta word salad from brochures and spotty pictures doesn’t quantify as evidence.
Especially when you take into account the complete lack of presence at expos and airshows.
It.
Just.
Doesn’t.
Exist.
Cute flag abuse, btw.
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Ahhh i see no malice can you see any malice i shurely don’t see any malice
The Rafale is by far the best current top tier GRB plane currently, yes (and gets surprisingly little hate for it, compared to the KH-38MT slingers). The difference in CAP capabilities between the Rafale and the Eurofighter really is smaller than the one between the Eurofighter and whatever you’d rank third in that category though.
Not all 13.0s in GRB are created equal. They difference between 12.7 and 13.0 GRB air battleratings is that the 13.0s are top tier airframes that get workable air to ground loadouts. At 12.7 you have the Su-27, J-11B, F-15Cs, Mirage-2000-5ei which have the equivalent of a sharpened stick for ground attack. Blame compression.
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Then why is the F16C and F15E 12.7?
The same reason the F4U-4 and F8F-1 are at 4.3/4.7, stats based balancing and US players can do wondrous things. They really shouldn’t be. But good point, I forgot that those weren’t uptiered for some reason.
That is totally why the Refale is classed as the 2nd or the best jet for grb at top right now
its far rarer then the Su30SM so even if its better its hard to complain about something you see once in a blue moon
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People have been happy to treat russia as a bogeyman for years. Claiming russian bias at every turn. It’s reflexive at this point, and often unfounded, but they do it anyway. The minor nations don’t draw as much flak even in situations where they have equal or superior equipment at that BR.
not really? (I mean Ill bash the french as much as I want as a brit /j) again its more its just a rare plane at top tier I see like maybe 2 to 3 french players a game and even then I can count on one hand how many refales ive seen in the last 2 weeks at top tier
i play Rafale a lot and i would consider AASM250 second best any day of the week. Lock range is OK and explosive mass seals the deal.
It’s not even close to KH38 however. The only scenario where Rafale could be considered worse at CAS compared to typhoon is if it was limited to SAL AASM only
Not so surprising IMO. Ask yourself : how much KH38 slinger do you usually meet compared to Rafale ?
Also, while Rafale is better overall in GRB because of the FM, Radar and MICAs, in a pure CAS role, it’s still worse than Su30, and that’s what tankers are impacted by. An AASM has more chance to get lost on its way compared to a KH, as it’s basically 2.5 times slower
Arguably the A-7 is closer, not the A-10. But is even less performant, somehow.
Far less, of course, but the arguments/complaints people bring up mostly center around the KH-38MT/Su-30SM/Su-34 being unbalanced/OP/the strongest, not that it’s the CAS truck that’s spammed the most. And with that line of argumentation it’s at the very least no reasonable for the Rafale to catch less flak.
Tankers are very much impacted by good CAP being up. It’s an incredibly strong tool to both keep your ground team protected from enemy CAS and run the enemy team out of spawnpoints. But not dying to something is not very noticeable. That effect is called preparedness paradox, I think.
It’s likely simply due to the fact that they see the Russian Kh-38MT Platforms most often (in the kill feed, and with the occurrence of multi-kills doesn’t help), I’m sure that if they were asked to rank the performance of all A2G ordnance in Ground modes at top tier it would fairly evenly reflect their usage stats.
And so if they were to pick one as an exemplar it should be self-evident as to why the Kh-38MT is so frequently mentioned.
But as you said earlier, they won’t feel it, because the only thing they can see is that they don’t get killed
Rafale is catching some flak for being busted in Air RB mainly, and rightfully so, for a lot of reasons
But in the CAS department, the ones complaining about it will usually be tankers, that more often get killed by a KH38 than a AASM. It doesn’t mean AASM IR isn’t busted, it’s just less frequent to get killed by it, and so people complain less about it.
Also, if KH38 MT is removed, i’m not against AASM IR removal as well. Playing those is boring anyway.
I will say though, AASM can at least be intercepted reliably by a few SPAAs, unlike KH38, which gives low reaction time, and makes the fuze not trigger at times for some reasons. That’s my main issue with it
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It’s second because it’s on the best plane of the game at this moment and there is no one to compete if there were more missile with speed and 100+ kg high explosives warhead AASM250 won’t be able to compete.
By it self AASM250 is a bomb with IR seeker sure it can lock tank from 20km distanse (at this moment) but it won’t be able to make it there like Kh-38 without sufficient speed and altitude given by carrier.
It’s sad that that type of mindset is so prevalent even in threads about balancing.
Yeah, but then you have people here discounting the usefulness of CAP, which is mind boggling. It’s one thing to not really notice it in a match, but when putting some actual thought into it and exchanging opinions with others about the strongpoints of various planes that part should really click.
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i’m aware, but this won’t matter for as long as we don’t have AAs able to reach this range.
When said AAs are added, and assuming Gaijin doesn’t make them weak, KH38 will also need to be fired from afar, making it far more prone to mid air interception.
CAS in its current form will therefore probably disappear, replaced by SEAD first and foremost.
KH38 is a problem because long range AAs don’t exist (and also because the planes spawn 15ish km from the battlefield)
Dare i say, considering AASMs ability to loft and LOAL, it will probably be far more efficient than kh38 against semi-fixed SAM sites
Point is, depending on how gaijin add those, the gameplay will shift so much that is difficult to predict what weaponry will fare well and which one won’t
Is it somehow not surprising that most complaints are going to be relating to something sitting at the top of the meta for each Battle rating?
Well you also have others claiming the A-10 is a serviceable choice for CAP flights when it has nothing actually going for it, outside it’s A2A missile selection.
So it’s not like there is much of an audience for it.
Depends on how soon they add Anti-Radiation Missiles, as many of them do loft to a significant degree and should be coming down at 70~85 degrees or so due to trajectory shaping. and will likely cost far less SP points