The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

[MotorolaCRO]

@HondaCivici

If I gave the F-15E aim-9x before any other nation gets similar missiles and I wanted to remove it

If 9X is an IIR missile then your comparison is flawed. Currently those missiles would be unflarable and a guaranteed kill.
The IR → IIR upgrade is a meta defining moment, while giving more speed to a missile with already common guidance method really isn’t.

On the other hand, 38MT uses IR + IOG guidance which already is present in the game, with only difference being that it has more speed.

So following this logic, giving 15E a faster 9M wouldn’t be that much of an issue, if plane is found to be lacking in other areas to justify the addition.

@HondaCivici

Removing a broken weapon and replacing it with a weapon that has similar capabilities to other nations doesn’t mean it gets it’s BR reduced.

Removing an AGM and replacing it with another one that has 2.2x less speed is a noticeable change, especially when speed is, by your own admission, one of the most important aspects of similar AGMs.

That being said, BR is just a numerical representation of vehicle’s overall performance which would definitely drop quiet significantly, so it’s to be expected for BR to drop as well.

Try removing top dart from 120S and give it DM23 as it’s best option. I doubt it would remain at it’s current BR for long.

[Gunjob]

Or counter point, the search is shit. Evidence you ask? I use it all the time, its shit haha.

partial search terms don’t work, its exact phrasing only;

[Ghost_of_TelAviv]

@Jεcka

Autocannon shells were despawning past ~3km’s so M247 was irrelevant to helis with longer ranged ATGMs back then. The only way to counter helis was with SAM SPAA’s or spawning jets (that had no flares, against AIM-9L/Ms and R-60Ms lol).

Sounds fun and glad i missed that.
Last real fun thing i remember was when drones were introduced. I just reached the BR they were implemented to and had no AA to deal with them. It was actually the main reason i bought the 2S38 back then.
Before that i shot down helis with the Shturm.

[MrBombastic8]

@MotorolaCRO

On the other hand, 38MT uses IR + IOG guidance which already is present in the game, with only difference being that it has more speed.

38mt kill plane better than 9B

[PercussionCap]

@ron_2303

no the F-16 that was demonstrated to japan was toataly different from what we have ingame

@MotorolaCRO

F-16A under Japan is totally fake.

@quartas121

its actually exactly like it. the F-16AJ is a nonexistent variant of an existing aircraft, and the Kh-38MT is a nonexistent variant of an existing missile (Kh-38ML exists)

It is a reskinned, copy-pasted Block 10 with sparrows. There is nothing “fake” about the AJ’s capabilities and it’s missing the one thing that made japan even consider it:

So while its addition is wrong as it was never built, everything written on the brochure had already been built and tested.

This cannot be said for the Kh-38MT and so it is somehow EVEN MORE FAKE than the F-16AJ.

[ron_2303]

@PercussionCap

This cannot be said for the Kh-38MT and so it is somehow EVEN MORE FAKE than the F-16AJ.

wrong the rocket motor of the KH-38 exists the only thing that dosent is the seeker
(similar to the E-100, the hull existed but the turret for it didnt)

and also the f-16aj dosent even look close to the one that was presented (mainly the nose)
and they shouldnt have gotten a f-16a blk 10 but a YF-16 with sparrows instead

[MrBombastic8]

The fact that brochure for 38MT is just a mockup tells you sth
i mean they got some fair point japan never really use the AJ but its based of a real plane and real capability that japan is interested in
but its gaijin fault for adding a plane that japan does not officially use and are basically tech demo plane that they copy paste because “muh F-2 not finnish”

[MrBombastic8]

@ron_2303

thing that dosent is the seeker

yes which is why 38mt is totally gaijin crap on its capability
they just put whatever best they can put
= russian bias

[ron_2303]

@MrBombastic8

= russian bias

russian bias is a strawman argument made by bad players to justify their skill issue

by that logic the E-100 is German Bias and the F-16AJ Japanese bias

[PercussionCap]

@ron_2303

wrong the rocket motor of the KH-38 exists the only thing that dosent is the seeker

That’s literally less parts completed than the F-16AJ. Everything in the F-16AJ brochure had been made and tested already; nobody is disputing the Kh-38MT has no seeker and thus CANNOT function at all and can’t be put together.

@MrBombastic8

The fact that brochure for 38MT is just a mockup tells you sth
i mean they got some fair point japan never really use the AJ but its based of a real plane and real capability that japan is interested in
but its gaijin fault for adding a plane that japan does not officially use and are basically tech demo plane that they copy paste because “muh F-2 not finnish”

That’s my point, while the F-16AJ is a “fake plane” it is STILL more real than the Kh-38MT just by virtue of all the parts needed to make one already existing.

[MrBombastic8]

@ron_2303

russian bias is a strawman argument made by bad players to justify their skill issue

i got the T80UK and ill tell u its pure suffer but sometimes the autoloader ate sum shii or bias armor

@ron_2303

by that logic the E-100 is German Bias and the F-16AJ Japanese bias

except that 38MT capability is unknown and never known and are unrealistic and stupidly OP when E-100 turret is fake and unfinished
and F-16AJ is just gaijin lazy
also you have to realize that slapping IR IOG on an existing platform isnt easy

[PercussionCap]

@ron_2303

and the F-16AJ Japanese bias

Let me know when the F-16AJ flies twice as fast as other F-16s lol

[Ghost_of_TelAviv]

@ron_2303

russian bias is a strawman argument made by bad players to justify their skill issue

When i started playing War Thunder, i chose Russia for my first nation because i thought there is Russian Bias for sure.
Glad i did, because i learned it doesn’t exist.

[quartas121]

There’s also nothing fake about an American Rafale’s capabilities but it’s still non-existent

[MotorolaCRO]

@MrBombastic8

38mt kill plane better than 9B

That’s a massive accomplishment.

[PercussionCap]

@quartas121

There’s also nothing fake about an American Rafale’s capabilities but it’s still non-existent

Not what I claimed.

Edit: also irrelevant since there is no american Rafale in the game.

[quartas121]

Yes, MT is faker than AJ but not by much since both differ from what was planned

And I’m using American Rafale as a similar example as AJ, it’s just that Japan and Russia get special treatment for things that don’t exist

[PercussionCap]

@quartas121

Yes, MT is faker than AJ but not by much since both differ from what was planned

We don’t even know how good the 38MT’s seeker is supposed to be, on top of it not existing. And as I said above:

@PercussionCap

Everything in the F-16AJ brochure had been made and tested already

[quartas121]

Well yeah that’s what I mean by differ from what was planned, no way MT seeker is that good. And also you said yourself AJ in-game is not even same as AJ in paper brochure

Both are pretty close in fakeness but MT slightly more because of seeker

[MotorolaCRO]

@PercussionCap

It is a reskinned, copy-pasted Block 10 with sparrows. There is nothing “fake” about the AJ’s capabilities and it’s missing the one thing that made japan even consider it

The fake part is the fact it’s under Japan which it never was.

@PercussionCap

Let me know when the F-16AJ flies twice as fast as other F-16s lol

Bias is the fact they received something that was never theirs. At this point just add Rafale to China, they deserve it.