dont get me wrong the AGM65 is really good as well, but the differnce is that the KH38MT is better then the AGM65 but there is a good chance the MT isn’t even real when instead we could have gotten the Kh25MTP which is far more akin to the AGM65, do I think the CAS issue will be fixed if the MT is removed? obviously not
I just hope with its removal and the introduction of more potent sams next update it actually gives ground a good chance since they wont have to deal with a mach 2.2 AGM.
which I fully understand I just dont see that as an issue if you rarely see it is it actually an issue? like the VMF you mentioned that thing was an event plane and yeah was incredibly strong when you ran into it but I think I can count on my hand how many times I saw one. not to mention there is a strong chance the Hammers are gonna be heavily nerfed but we will have to wait and see on that one
you do get that the ADATS is a beam riding missile right? So if you pull too hard itll go out of the beam and lose tracking. Its also got less range, is slower and doesnt have any strobelight on the back of the missile so you dont even know where the missile is after around 2km of flight as thats when the booster ends.
Things shouldn’t get hit with the nerf stick only when they’re popular, balancing should be somewhat objective. Same for people calling things overpowered. Just because something isn’t played as often doesn’t mean it should be left unscrutinized.
The maximum range of the IRIS-T SLS is significantly lower than the current maximum TRACK lock distance of IIR AGMs. Not sure about the Chinese thing. It will only be helpful against suicidal approaches that people shouldn’t be taking anyways, and a heavy nerf to planes that need to get in close like the Eurofighter.
It’s focussed at the wrong point. Let’s be honest, the main driving force behind people wanting the KH-38MT removed is annoyance at dying to it, not wanting “historical accuracy”. The KH-38MT getting removed or replaced with the missile you mention wouldn’t change much at all. Making CAS planes spawn on the runway would be a far simpler and broader fix. Instead of asking for something like that people whip themselves up into an inconsequential frenzy about one singular thing that happens to be played often currently and won’t matter at all once the next nation gets the next best thing to shaft tanks with.
Well today its rarely spawned, cause its now almost impossible to kill tanks with AS.20 Nords. They nerfed everything from the once linear trajectory to the HE yield to a point its no issue anymore.
Now the com waits for Gajin to do something similar to KH-38MT. Its just neccessary. Also AS.20 Nord was a real weapon with countless original photos and other sources, while the MT most likely never existed. There’s no footage aviable and even the manufacturer removed it from the website. Now everyone waits for Gajin to remove it as well.
I don’t understand how you can think this. It would stop the ability to fire most if not all your missiles off before anyone can do something about it. Hopefully something is also done about Rafale with HAMMER too.
Would just make spawn camping worse which I don’t think anyone wants and at best just delay them a insignificant amount.
Here’s some numbers on how CAS is performing currently.
Ground Kills to Deaths
Cut off: 300
Vehicle
Ratio
Data points
Su-30SM
2.41
2330
Rafale C
2.29
599
Su-34
2.2
1428
Su-39
1.22
477
F-15E
1.1
533
F-16C
1.02
534
Eurofighters combined
0.98
840
F/A-18C Early
0.75
384
MQ-1
0.58
616
Orion
0.53
325
Ground Kills to Deaths from Ground Sources
Cut off: 250
I noticed it as well. There are KH’s and the Hammers. Everything else is super meh. Especially the Eurofighter is barely worth the 800-900 spawn points, as well the the F-15E.
These general nerfs to CAS spawns just hurt the weak CAS planes too much, while Suchois are still worth to be spawned. They could even up the costs to 1000 spawn points and Suchois would be still worth to be spawned, while a EF2000 without any F&F option is imho barely worth 600 sp, but costs the same as the russian top dogs.
You may also notice that EF2000, F15 etc are rarely spawned (remember its all EFs combined, so per nation its likely just 200+ in this figure). Thats imho the best indicator: Players spawn whats op and tend to totally ignore whats meh. Thats what you see here. Superior player numbers for russian jets and nothing at all for everyone else.
its both actually
it doesnt exist outside of mockups
its stupidly overpowered compare to other agms in the game
if they do not remove or replace 38mt to something more balance things will not change
The SLS only have a range of 12km max and the 625E only cover 15km of effectiveness
The thing is that if 38mt wasnt so stupidly overpowered and unrealistic id say this thread would have less attention because if it wasnt OP you can actually deal with it instead you can just lob it 15km away safely and you get 6 kills without much effort at all
The problem with the KH-38MTs isn’t really the range, that’s functionally identical to the other IIR AGMs. It’s the very high speed plus IOG. And while AGM-65Ds are less effective if you let a plane fire a full salvo it’s still going to do disproportional damage compared to the effort spent.
It would give CAP the chance to actually perform its role without having to keep an eye on the killfeed and firing a FOX-3 into the enemy airspawn within seconds in order to protect the ground team. The latency between spawning in and engagement is far too low for top tier airframes currently. Yes, it would still be “camping” to some extent, but the CAS planes can fight back against that. If necessary give them an airspawn over the runway.
The data’s great, thanks for that! It’s going to be very interesting if and how better SPAA is going to impact that, a big role in the Su-30SMs/Su-34s low rate of deaths to ground targets has to be having the Pantsir on your team.
The problem with 38MTs is the range, it can outrange every spaa in the game except ofc Pantsir
it has triple the max speed of mavs, double .2 the speed when it runs out of booster triple the explosive mass, has IOG compare to other IIR which makes it twice better at killing moving target and finding target
65D are way way easier to intercept and hide from compare to 38mt because of explosive mass, it has less effective range and its double .2 slower than 38mt
With how AGM-65 are modeled (incorrectly) You’d rarely fire them past 15km? and you need a clear shot and a direct lock because without IOG, they would self-destruct
KH-38MT can get kills from 30km+ by firing at a fixed point and the missile will find a target within that area
i doubt that they are actively used like that becasue it would be up to chance if sombody drives through the seeker or not
most of the videos i have seen is ppl geting close, so that the KH-38 gets a proper lock and then ripple them off at different targets over the battlefield
Im sure they probably do. But I do think its worth noting that whilst KH-38MT Can be used at far greater ranges and remain as effective. AGM-65 cannot. This gives more flexibility especailly against SPAAs (perticularly the new ones that might be coming in)
It is in my opinion a more minor advantage compared to IOG or its speed or Warhead. But is still note worthy
I also lost several SPAA trucks to MTs seemingly re-aquire targets by themselves. LIke popping smoke, driving out of the smoke (to avoid the IOG thing), but it finally still directly hits you. Its from hell.
