The Kh-38MT may not actually exist

Not as they have been implemented in game.

Nowhere in the MANPDS article does it actually establish similar functionality between the two and as such why the lower limit should also apply to said designs.

Of course outside the fact that they look similar.

Do I have to point out that this was about artificial Nerfs. And that the Strela-10M2 also existed at similar Battle Ratings, unlike the Tan-SAM (at the time), and so unless deliberately dragged up by a lineup would be unlikely to match together.

So is every non-CCD, imaging seeker AGM-65 has access to, I’m working on a report but it’s slow going with motivation being fairly fleeting, when other avenues to address the issue take as long as they have.


This has effectively previously been settled, all Contrast and Correlation type seekers and their differences are being ignored for gaming convention and balance, and have been for a while now

We absolutely can when they ignore presented sources and have to fabricate reasons why they are doing what they are doing. Don’t forget that the Original Nerf in 1.97 is completely unsourced, we don’t even know why it was changed in the first place or what it was based off.

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And its not the only one, look at the aluminium back plate they invented out of thin air for the CR2 in the CR2 Devblog. Sources disproving that were submitted before those changes went live and 18 months later, still hasnt been fixed

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Strela’s currently BR’d among superior SPAA.
My post explicitly states in-game, your previous post also says Stingers perform better than Iglas:

Even if gaijin actually implements proper rolling airframe missile flight mechanics, it would still be a buff for Mistral, Stinger and Type 91. Especially considering these NATO missiles have proper PID control systems and closed loop control feedback loops, so the big post they claimed proved all rolling airframe missiles cannot make use of their full potential G load doesn’t apply to missiles that are not SA-14.

With proper rolling airframe missile flight mechanics, Mistral, Stinger and Type 91 would be very solid kinematically. Easily capable of intercepting and hitting targets flying at speed and in high G turns.

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but ingame Iglas has been artificially buff to 20G while stinger remain 13G

in real life iglas only has 10-13G manuverability while stinger have up to 20-22G

I wasn’t talking about that.

Igla is 10G not 20.

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its 20G in war thunder
20G ingame
which mean artificially buffed

What?

Why?

20~22G overload, 6.5Km lock-on and Optical contrast mechanics would make for a pretty consistent threat, though the limited size of the missile means performance won’t quite be to Strela levels, it should nicely cover the ranges between that of massed HE-VT and proper Tactical level SAMs in a layered defense.

If this is a thing about the BR going up due to improved efficiency, there’s practically no end to options to mount them on and thus fine tune their selection of ammo and go that way.

To some degree Model changes are slightly different to changing some numbers in a config file & C&P 'ing lines from others to enable functionality.

As they probably don’t have much of an internal modeling team anymore so need to slot work-task to correct the model into their pipeline (which is probably on a fairly long lead time so they don’t need to pay extra for a quick turn around), even if they would be fairly minor changes.

Ok? That doesn’t somehow change the fact that Western MANPADS are erroneously impacted by mechanics that they shouldn’t be due to an incorrect arbitrary decision, simply because 5 minutes weren’t spared to even try to google patents.

It was literally the third result in my search that found the POST seeker’s Patent, which directly listed those for the FIM-43’s guidance mechanism (which is functionally the same as the Igla, though using a Redeye as a baseline argument in the article would have tipped more people off as to what was happening), which then was referenced by the improved Stinger set. it took me all of 5 minutes to actually find.

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You can’t just delete vehicles that already use Stingers. Making this buff go through would put many of those at BRs where they get outranged probably even more than at the moment.

Why delete them?

If it was needed, all that would be need would be to simply limit their ammo to to the FIM-92A, and go from there returning various variants until balance was achieved. As it would not benefit from the Lock-on range extension, Optical-Contrast mechanic and lose the FoV reduction IRCCM.

Further IR SAMs should use a SAM-bush tactics and are obviously a shorter ranged option to prevent pop up attacks and where they are most effective.

Alternately they could just drop the BR of proper SAMs to encourage Layered Defenses to actualy pose a threat to various levels of Guided CAS.

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They could do many things but they won’t.
Realistically FIM-92K with those buffs couldn’t exist below 10.7 at the very least, even on gun-less platforms like Ozelot.

i mean you would use LAV in top tier anyway
you wouldnt use roland in top tier

Why?

They have pretty thin armor and it’s not like CCIP + Rockets doesn’t handily deal with most launch platforms so it’s not that much of an issue if you see them first.

Though in this instance all they had to do was not change anything. They actually made more work for themselves by making up something to change

That’s not really true, even at 9.7 BR there are a number of platforms fast enough to get in and out of MANPAD range while conducting an attack. The only change would be requiring high speed CAS to actually plan their approach, instead of just loitering and looping over the battlefield. Dedicated attackers without that performance will have sufficient flares to decoy the NATO missiles if properly employed.

Both would get outranged anyways there, I’m talking about stuff at their new BRs.

Because they would be better than 10.3 AAs ?

I still have to see a Stinger getting flared.

They have an entirely different use case, against a different threat

It’s almost like No-Escape Zones exist for missiles. You can’t just expect to face roll everything without learning the mechanics.

But then again, this was the state of things for the longest of times, and to some degree still is;

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given strela would still out preform them in multiple aspects I disagree, unless you have suddenly realized that strela doesnt belong at its current BR and that it should move up to the same point as those post buff stingers